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 2022-05-31, 08:03 #1 Nick     Dec 2012 The Netherlands 33458 Posts Knots, theory and practice The mathematical theory of knots is fun. So are many practical applications: sailing, climbing, surgery, ... Welcome to the knot thread!
 2022-05-31, 08:04 #2 Nick     Dec 2012 The Netherlands 5×353 Posts Is the round turn with 2 half hitches really a round turn with a granny knot?
 2022-06-01, 23:46 #3 Xyzzy     Aug 2002 848510 Posts
 2022-06-02, 12:48 #4 Dr Sardonicus     Feb 2017 Nowhere 17×347 Posts I have gotten rid of many unwanted woody plants (small trees, etc) by cutting them down to short stumps, applying concentrated brush killer to the stump, and then covering the poisoned stump with a piece of plastic grocery bag secured with thin twine. I had a problem in securing the plastic, however. A square knot, granny, or "shoelace knot" didn't work, because when I went to tie the second part of the knot, the string would loosen around the stump. It's similar to the problem in tying a ribbon around a package, which is sometimes solved by having a second person put a finger on the first part of the knot to hold it flush to the package. It finally occurred to me to do what I'd seen someone do on TV when they were tying up a roast or trussing poultry - use multiple twists instead of a simple overhand knot for the first part of the knot. That creates more friction, so when you cinch the loop up tight, it stays put while you tie a second overhand to secure it. It turns out that this is a well-known knot, called a "surgeon's knot."
 2022-06-02, 13:36 #5 EdH     "Ed Hall" Dec 2009 Adirondack Mtns 471110 Posts I commonly use a variation of the bowline - I go around the tree in the opposite direction, such that the loose end is on the outside. At a knot-display with knowledgeable presenters, I asked about my variation and was told it wasn't a recognized knot and therefore had no name. I told him perhaps it could be named for me. Later, I was told it was a named knot, for some country - maybe Norway - but, I haven't ever found it in documentation. Perhaps someone here knows more about it? I have found it to be just as effective as the standard bowline, but wonder if the loose end being on the outside has some disadvantage.
2022-06-02, 20:45   #6
Nick

Dec 2012
The Netherlands

110111001012 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by EdH Perhaps someone here knows more about it? I have found it to be just as effective as the standard bowline, but wonder if the loose end being on the outside has some disadvantage.
Is it the cowboy bowline?

2022-06-02, 21:52   #7
EdH

"Ed Hall"
Dec 2009

111478 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Nick Is it the cowboy bowline?
Yes! That's the one, aka "Dutch" (Marine) bowline. I tie that all the time, sometimes around something.

2022-06-02, 23:13   #8
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

3·3,529 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by EdH I tie that all the time, sometimes around something.
Knots are *very* interesting. Knowing how to tie them correctly has saved my life more than once.

 2022-06-03, 01:33 #9 jwaltos   1A7216 Posts I was in trained in mountain combat ..Corsica, Pyrenees, Alps..and then some amphibious stuff where you needed to be quick and be able to make the required knots regardless of temperature or environment. This not quite a knot but if you wrap a rope around your body in a certain way you can rappel down "something" safely..but you may have a few rope burns at the end of it.
2022-06-03, 03:33   #10
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

295B16 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by jwaltos I was in trained in mountain combat..
Have you ever been to sea Billy? Or climbed a 60-meter tower?

There's always lots of rope. What matters is how you use it... 9-)

2022-06-03, 21:33   #11
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

295B16 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Nick Welcome to the knot thread!
Sorry, Nick. I might have derailed your thread attempting to be funny... I'm going to try to work on that.

I understand that the maths behind knots is *seriously* deep. And, not yet fully explored.

Those who use knots in the practical domain might enjoy learning from those who actually understand what they're doing. I know I will... 8-)

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