Cost of electricity -- compute for heat only

paulunderwood · 2021-09-24, 10:26

Here in the UK our electricity prices are about to go up by some 66% to in excess of £0,25 per kilowatt hour (plus £0.25 a day for the standing charge). This is a huge increase and is forcing me to run my computers as heaters only. This is not necessarily a bad thing -- I need air conditioning for 4 months during the summer as well.

What is it like in the rest of Europe? The USA? The World?

pinhodecarlos · 2021-09-24, 10:33

Way to save is to stop all your computers, shutdown AC, you don’t need it.
Gas price is also raising to match electricity (descarbonisation).

Edit: BTW, we left Europe, this island is going north…lol

kriesel · 2021-09-24, 10:47

US by-state incremental US$/KWHR figures vary widely, from under $0.10 Idaho to over $0.327 Hawaii.
Change over a year from -5% Idaho to +20% Louisiana.
0.25GBP/kwhr x1.37 = US$0.3425/kwhr, slightly higher than Hawaii.
I'm in Wisconsin, paying 2 different rates, both of which are below Wisconsin's indicated average and don't change much. Rate applicable to my GIMPS use is ~US$0.114/kwhr and hasn't changed in over a year. So, ~0.333 of Paul's coming rate. (~0.11% below 1/3 if his stated 0.25 was exact) That utility's generation is ~40+% fission and renewables, ~32% gas and ~23% coal currently.
https://www.chooseenergy.com/electri...ates-by-state/

For global comparison there are many sources including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing

kruoli · 2021-09-24, 12:06

Just in the news: Germany's average electricity costs are 0.3054 € per kWh (around 0.3578 $/kWh). I'm not sure if this includes industrial customers. Either way, it's lots.

De Wandelaar · 2021-09-24, 13:33

In Belgium, average cost of electricity increased by quite 25 % between 2020 and 2021.
From 0.2326 € per kWh in 2020 to 0.2897 € per kWh in 2021

Uncwilly · 2021-09-24, 13:38

For reference there is an old thread about the price of moving electrons back and forth.
https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=15011

I still pay a voluntary charge so that my provider buys contracts so all my power is "green". They have slowly ramped up the amount of renewables that they are buying. It was about 8% when I first started paying extra (1% was the dedicated "green" source) and 65% or more coal. Now renewables have averaged over 30% the last few years and coal only about 33%.

xilman · 2021-09-24, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos

Way to save is to stop all your computers, shutdown AC, you don’t need it.
Gas price is also raising to match electricity (descarbonisation).

Edit: BTW, we left Europe, this island is going north…lol

[pedant]the UK has not left Europe. The UK has left the European Union[/pedant]

pinhodecarlos · 2021-09-24, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by xilman

[pedant]the UK has not left Europe. The UK has left the European Union[/pedant]

For the majority of the British people is the same.

a1call · 2021-09-24, 16:20

In the Real-World, Europe is a subcontinent of Asia much like what is India, but Europeans would have you believe otherwise.
Not sure how England would fit. Is Sri Lanka part of Asia?

pinhodecarlos · 2021-09-24, 17:09

Sometimes it’s England (Soccer) sometimes it’s United Kingdom (Olympics). I don’t understand the logic behind it.

Uncwilly · 2021-09-24, 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinhodecarlos

Sometimes it’s England (Soccer) sometimes it’s United Kingdom (Olympics). I don’t understand the logic behind it.

That is a Wale of a problem to figure out, especially after a bit of Scotch. It is an Éire problem.

2021-09-24, 10:26	#1
paulunderwood Sep 2002 Database er0rr 1030₁₆ Posts	Cost of electricity -- compute for heat only Here in the UK our electricity prices are about to go up by some 66% to in excess of £0,25 per kilowatt hour (plus £0.25 a day for the standing charge). This is a huge increase and is forcing me to run my computers as heaters only. This is not necessarily a bad thing -- I need air conditioning for 4 months during the summer as well. What is it like in the rest of Europe? The USA? The World?

2021-09-24, 10:33	#2
pinhodecarlos "Carlos Pinho" Oct 2011 Milton Keynes, UK 5036₁₀ Posts	Way to save is to stop all your computers, shutdown AC, you don’t need it. Gas price is also raising to match electricity (descarbonisation). Edit: BTW, we left Europe, this island is going north…lol Last fiddled with by pinhodecarlos on 2021-09-24 at 10:37

2021-09-24, 10:47	#3
kriesel "TF79LL86GIMPS96gpu17" Mar 2017 US midwest 3×2,161 Posts	US by-state incremental US$/KWHR figures vary widely, from under $0.10 Idaho to over $0.327 Hawaii. Change over a year from -5% Idaho to +20% Louisiana. 0.25GBP/kwhr x1.37 = US$0.3425/kwhr, slightly higher than Hawaii. I'm in Wisconsin, paying 2 different rates, both of which are below Wisconsin's indicated average and don't change much. Rate applicable to my GIMPS use is ~US$0.114/kwhr and hasn't changed in over a year. So, ~0.333 of Paul's coming rate. (~0.11% below 1/3 if his stated 0.25 was exact) That utility's generation is ~40+% fission and renewables, ~32% gas and ~23% coal currently. https://www.chooseenergy.com/electri...ates-by-state/ For global comparison there are many sources including https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_pricing Last fiddled with by kriesel on 2021-09-24 at 11:46

2021-09-24, 13:38	#6
Uncwilly 6809 > 6502 """"""""""""""""""" Aug 2003 101×103 Posts 10,531 Posts	For reference there is an old thread about the price of moving electrons back and forth. https://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=15011 I still pay a voluntary charge so that my provider buys contracts so all my power is "green". They have slowly ramped up the amount of renewables that they are buying. It was about 8% when I first started paying extra (1% was the dedicated "green" source) and 65% or more coal. Now renewables have averaged over 30% the last few years and coal only about 33%. Last fiddled with by Uncwilly on 2021-09-24 at 13:50

2021-09-24, 16:20	#9
a1call "Rashid Naimi" Oct 2015 Remote to Here/There 2×19×59 Posts	In the Real-World, Europe is a subcontinent of Asia much like what is India, but Europeans would have you believe otherwise. Not sure how England would fit. Is Sri Lanka part of Asia? Last fiddled with by a1call on 2021-09-24 at 16:20

2021-09-24, 12:06	#4
kruoli "Oliver" Sep 2017 Porta Westfalica, DE 983 Posts	Just in the news: Germany's average electricity costs are 0.3054 € per kWh (around 0.3578 $/kWh). I'm not sure if this includes industrial customers. Either way, it's lots.

2021-09-24, 13:33	#5
De Wandelaar "Yves" Jul 2017 Belgium 83 Posts	In Belgium, average cost of electricity increased by quite 25 % between 2020 and 2021. From 0.2326 € per kWh in 2020 to 0.2897 € per kWh in 2021

2021-09-24, 17:09	#10
pinhodecarlos "Carlos Pinho" Oct 2011 Milton Keynes, UK 2²×1,259 Posts	Sometimes it’s England (Soccer) sometimes it’s United Kingdom (Olympics). I don’t understand the logic behind it.

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