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18.0-19.0 M 3 0.71%
19.0-20.0 M 7 1.65%
20.0-21.0 M 11 2.59%
21.0-22.0 M 10 2.35%
Elsewhere, missed in DC, below 18 M 10 2.35%
14.4kbps or less to 19.2kbps 2 0.47%
21.6kbps to 26.4kbps 1 0.24%
28.8kbps to 36.0kbps 3 0.71%
38.4kbps to 52.8kbps 14 3.29%
better than dialup 37 8.71%
Less than 16 million 13 3.06%
16 million 5 1.18%
17 million 5 1.18%
18 million 9 2.12%
19 million or more 12 2.82%
Yes! Puzzles stimulate my brain! 29 6.82%
No! I feel stupid enough already! 2 0.47%
My WebTV rocks! 0 0%
640x480... 0 0%
800x600... 5 1.18%
1024x768... 17 4.00%
Higher than 1024x768... 29 6.82%
Yes, that would save me a lot of trouble! 3 0.71%
No, that is just too damn complicated! 14 3.29%
I just poach my exponents so I have no use for this! 3 0.71%
Yes, I like larger exponents! 25 5.88%
No, I will miss the lower exponents. 11 2.59%
What are you talking about? I'm D.C.ing or Factoring. 13 3.06%
I've been doing 33Ms for years! 5 1.18%
P4 INTEL with SSE2 8 1.88%
AMD athlon 3 0.71%
Other (please state) 1 0.24%
Yes! 11 2.59%
No! 4 0.94%
don't care. (but I care enough to say so!) 5 1.18%
Yes 4 0.94%
No 11 2.59%
Should 15k Search be allowed to stay? 24 5.65%
Should 15K Search find a new home and be removed? 16 3.76%
The one who found it on their computer first (though the date could be faked) 5 1.18%
The one who reported the prime first 35 8.24%
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Old 2003-07-31, 14:19   #1
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Default Who gets credit for first 10M prime if 2 are found,same time

The forum has been quiet for too long, it's time for some heated discussion! (possibly).

The info is in the poll question, but the issue is this: the person with the eariler timestamp on their prime discovery could intentionally or unintentionally have a bad date and time if their computer date and time are wrong. So since the timestamp is questionable, does the credit go to the first one who reported it? I think it does.
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Old 2003-08-01, 02:10   #2
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If you're talking about the EFF $100,000 award, what counts are the Official EFF Cooperative Computing Award Rules at http://www.eff.org/coop-awards/award-prime-rules.html

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In the case where two or more valid claims for the same award are submitted, the valid claim with the earliest verifiable discovery date will be honored.
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Old 2003-08-01, 04:54   #3
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since eepiccolo wants heated discussion, I'm going to say YOU'RE WRONG YOU CHEESEHEADED LLAMAFACE!!!

I DON'T HAVE ANY VALID ARGUMENTS FOR MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT, BUT I CAN TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE I BELIEVE SO PASSIONATELY IN MY STANCE!!!!!! EXCESSIVE EXCLAMATION MARKS PROVE MY POINT!!!!!!!
SO DOES NAME CALLING AND AVOIDING THE ISSUE!!!!!!! MAYBE I'LL EVEN USE POOR GRAMMAR!!!!! YOUR WRONG!!!! I'M TYPING THIS SLOW CUZ I KNOW YOU CANT READ FAST, CUZ YOUR A LLAMA AND LLAMAS ARE DUMB!!!!!!!


.. fun!
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Old 2003-08-01, 05:24   #4
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Oh my ...

It suddenly seems awfully hot in here ...

The heat ... the awful heat ...

It's ... worse ... than the ... Atacama.

I ... feel ... faint ...

It's ... almost ... , ... but ... not ... quite ... , ... as ... bad ... as ... August ... in ... Sacramento ...


NOT!
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Old 2003-08-01, 06:37   #5
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The heat ... the awful heat ...

It's ... almost ... , ... but ... not ... quite ... , ... as ... bad ... as ... August ... in ... Sacramento ...
ain't that the truth .. I think everyone in Sacramento agrees with Azrael in Dogma:

"No pleasure, no rapture, no exquisite sin greater .. than central air"
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Old 2003-08-01, 06:51   #6
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That's it, I'm setting my date to 1967. That way, even if you submit yours months before I submit mine, I still win because I have the earlier date.

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In the case where two or more valid claims for the same award are submitted, the valid claim with the earliest verifiable discovery date will be honored.
Hmmmm..... Earliest verifiable discovery date? I'd like to see how a discovery date from Prime95 is verifiable, if that discovery date is when the LL test finishes, considering what has been said already about the time a computer is set to. So does that mean it goes back to who reported it first?
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I think that rule is more for when 2 different primes of 10M digits are found
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Hmmmm..... Earliest verifiable discovery date? I'd like to see how a discovery date from Prime95 is verifiable, if that discovery date is when the LL test finishes, considering what has been said already about the time a computer is set to. So does that mean it goes back to who reported it first?
First of all, the EFF gets to determine verifiability. But if I were confronted with one claim of discovery containing a log with dates in 1967 (or other "funny" stuff) that was reported to GIMPS on August 2, 2003, and another claim containing a log with July 2003 dates that was reported to GIMPS on August 3, it wouldn't take me more than a minute to figure out that at least one was not verifiable.

OTOH, I'm composing this reply on a system whose current system date is March 23, 2001 for a completely legitimate reason. If it should happen that I discover a 10M-digit prime on it, I'd expect to have to submit a pile of documentation to support that legitimacy.
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I think that rule is more for when 2 different primes of 10M digits are found
Doesn't matter whether the discovery reports are of different primes or are competing reports of the same prime (and not, e.g., a team effort that is simply being independently reported by different but cooperating team members) -- it's still necessary to determine priority of eligibility for the prize.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cheesehead
I'm composing this reply on a system whose current system date is March 23, 2001 for a completely legitimate reason. If it should happen that I discover a 10M-digit prime on it, I'd expect to have to submit a pile of documentation to support that legitimacy.
Your computer is stuck in a time wrinkle?
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