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Old 2020-09-05, 21:33   #1277
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Oh, wait, he ran as the "law-and-order" candidate in the last election. Well, I guess one term isn't enough for him to deliver. We'd better give him a second term. And if that isn't enough, let's just throw the Constitution away and start planning the coronation.
As has been said before, watching this "from away" is just mind-blowing!

The US of A is fundamentally based on code. Law.

No one could have predicted during the initial coding session (and then the ongoing debugging) the speed of technological advancement, nor that you'd have someone come into such a system with absolutely no morals.

And I'm not just talking about Trump here. I lump Zuckerberg et al into that set as well.

The Canadians here will get this reference... I'm pulling for you. We're all in this together...
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Old 2020-09-06, 00:14   #1278
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As has been said before, watching this "from away" is just mind-blowing!

The US of A is fundamentally based on code. Law.

No one could have predicted during the initial coding session (and then the ongoing debugging) the speed of technological advancement, nor that you'd have someone come into such a system with absolutely no morals.
Oh, I don't know about that. Before the founding of the Republic, there was a rather talented military commander, who was extremely self-centered, and thus became so incensed at being passed over for a promotion he felt he deserved, he decided to exact retribution by handing West Point over to the British. His name was Benedict Arnold. (He escaped to England, but his intermediary, Major Andre, was caught and hanged.)

Then there was this character who ran for President in 1800 by the name of Aaron Burr. He was widely considered to be unscrupulous at the time. The result of this election led to some of the debugging you mention (the Twelfth Amendment).

The way Presidential elections worked then, the candidate with the most electoral votes would be President, the one with the second-most would be Vice-President. Unless, of course, the top two candidates wound up in a tie. If that happened -- and it did happen in the 1800 election -- the election went to the US House of Representatives. And the House vote also wound up a tie on the first ballot. And the second. And (over a period of five days) the third, fourth, ... thirty-fifth ballot.

Finally, Alexander Hamilton, despite being a vehement political adversary of Jefferson, felt that Jefferson was of good character, but that Aaron Burr was not, so decided to throw his support behind Jefferson. Jefferson became President, and Aaron Burr became Vice-President.

Three years later, Burr challenged Hamilton to a duel. Burr lived, Hamilton died. Legend has it that Hamilton first fired in the air, and that Burr then drew a bead on him and shot him dead.
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And I'm not just talking about Trump here. I lump Zuckerberg et al into that set as well.
Agree on Zuckerberg being without morals.

Il Duce talking about the "rule of law" will add a scene to the movie, Hypocrisy Now.
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Old 2020-09-09, 13:25   #1279
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DOJ asks to defend Trump in rape accuser's defamation suit
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NEW YORK (AP) — The Justice Department is asking to take over President Donald Trump's defense in a defamation lawsuit from a writer who accused him of rape, and federal lawyers asked a court Tuesday to allow a move that could put the American people on the hook for any money she might be awarded.

After New York state courts turned down Trump's request to delay E. Jean Carroll's suit, Justice Department lawyers filed court papers aiming to shift the case into federal court and to substitute the U.S. for Trump as the defendant. That means the federal government, rather than Trump himself, might have to pay damages if any are awarded.
I will consider myself fortunate if this doesn't give me a fatal case of the dry heaves.
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Old 2020-09-09, 13:32   #1280
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I'm fairly sure that a conviction of rape involves more than just monetary rewards for the victim. The perp usually also gets some quality time with Chad in the local lock-up.

So if found guilty the U.S. goes to prison? That would interesting to see!
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I'm fairly sure that a conviction of rape involves more than just monetary rewards for the victim. The perp usually also gets some quality time with Chad in the local lock-up.

So if found guilty the U.S. goes to prison? That would interesting to see!
This is a defamation lawsuit, not a criminal case.

I don't know the details about the rape allegation, but I can think of two possible reasons for there being no criminal case. One is, there simply might not be enough evidence to bring a criminal case to court. The other is, the time interval for bringing a case specified by the statute of limitations might have already elapsed.

The defamation suit arises because the president called the rape accusation a lie, and so his accuser a liar.

The standard of proof in a civil action is lower than for a criminal conviction. If the Plaintiff wants to obtain the president's DNA to compare with something in her possession, however, the latest legal maneuver would, if successful, make that more difficult. If the motion is (as I expect) denied, it will no doubt be appealed, delaying the lawsuit further.
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