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Play the Qxb6 game first, then the Rab1 game 5 50.00%
Play the Rab1 game first, then the Qxb6 game 2 20.00%
Play both games at the same time 1 10.00%
Allow vote changes to move 18 and only play the most popular option first 2 20.00%
something else (post your choice) 0 0%
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Old 2016-01-29, 16:21   #1
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Default Move 19 game direction

The vote for move 18 was tied at 4-4, so here's your chance to vote on the game's direction. Some discussion can be found at: http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=20909 , and the poll closes in 3 days.
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Old 2016-01-30, 00:52   #2
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Just to be clear on the 4th option:

We will still play both games but we are continuing the voting for move 18 to see which one plays first. Is that correct?

If the above is correct, is there an option to continue the voting for move 18 to see which one and only one game will be played? In other words, no forked game.
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Old 2016-01-30, 02:15   #3
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I only have time to work on one game at a time. If the Queen swappers win the vote, I'll work on that line.
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Old 2016-01-30, 03:13   #4
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Originally Posted by gd_barnes View Post
Just to be clear on the 4th option:

We will still play both games but we are continuing the voting for move 18 to see which one plays first. Is that correct?

If the above is correct, is there an option to continue the voting for move 18 to see which one and only one game will be played? In other words, no forked game.
If option 4 wins, a new poll will be created with just the Qxb6 and Rab1 options. The only people eligible to vote in that poll will be those who didn't vote in the original poll or those who changed their minds. One of the following will happen:

A.) The Qxb6 option wins. In that case, only the move 19a game (18. Qxb6 axb6) will be played, and the move 19b game will be put on hold.
B.) The Rab1 option wins. In that case, only the move 19b game (18. Rab1 Qe6) will be played, and the move 19a game will be put on hold.
C.) Another tied vote occurs. In that case, the Qxb6 option wins per: http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...2&postcount=19 .

In all three cases, only one game will go ahead. After the game ends, another poll will be created with the following (tentative) options:
I.) Resume playing the other fork.
II.) Terminate the other fork and play a new game from move 1. The new game will probably be Stockfish as white and the forum as black with computer assistance allowed for the new game, but I'm open to alternatives.

In this poll, if Option 1 (play Qxb6 first, then Rab1) ties for first with another option, it will win based on the following posts:
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...1&postcount=18
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...5&postcount=21
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...2&postcount=19
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...3&postcount=20
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...2&postcount=24
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showpos...93&postcount=9 (Google stock went up today, so Qxb6 would have been the random choice per that post)

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Old 2016-01-30, 06:59   #5
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Wow based on MooMoo's clarification, which I was waiting on before voting, this has become a tough choice for me between options 1 and 4. If I vote for option 1, it is almost mathematically clinched because there are likely not enough interested parties to allow any other option to come back and be chosen. But if I vote for option 4, it has a reasonable chance to tie or overtake option 1.

I'm still not sure. I'll wait until more-or-less the last minute to decide. As strongly as I feel about Qxb6 due to its near guarantee of a draw, I do kind of hate to see the Rab1 choice eliminated since in theory, it might be a slightly stronger move. It would be kind of interesting to see both games played out.
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Old 2016-01-30, 10:52   #6
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Can I request extra time for move 19 so that the 6-day clock for this move starts when it's clear what we're doing? The discussions for both possible moves are in full flow, but I for one am holding off my participation until I know where I should be directing my energies.
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Old 2016-01-30, 16:54   #7
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Can I request extra time for move 19 so that the 6-day clock for this move starts when it's clear what we're doing? The discussions for both possible moves are in full flow, but I for one am holding off my participation until I know where I should be directing my energies.
Request granted
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Old 2016-01-30, 17:27   #8
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Originally Posted by gd_barnes View Post
Wow based on MooMoo's clarification, which I was waiting on before voting, this has become a tough choice for me between options 1 and 4. If I vote for option 1, it is almost mathematically clinched because there are likely not enough interested parties to allow any other option to come back and be chosen. But if I vote for option 4, it has a reasonable chance to tie or overtake option 1.

I'm still not sure. I'll wait until more-or-less the last minute to decide. As strongly as I feel about Qxb6 due to its near guarantee of a draw, I do kind of hate to see the Rab1 choice eliminated since in theory, it might be a slightly stronger move. It would be kind of interesting to see both games played out.
If you'd like to play the Rab1 game later, vote for option 1, since that means that the Rab1 game will be played after the Qxb6 game. A vote for option 4 means that there's a possibility that either the Rab1 or the Qxb6 game will not be played (at the end of the game, most people may vote to start a new game from move 1 instead of finishing the other game from move 19.)

On another note, if one game is played after the other game ends, the full computer game analysis (see below for a partial summary) won't be posted until both games end.

Code:
Move No.	Depth (ply)	Nodes Searched	Eval	Next Move Expected
1		34		 2,754,754,703	-0.17	d4
2		35		 2,775,255,936	
3		37		 7,823,890,345	
4		36		 4,748,231,994	
5		34		 3,046,969,375	
6		35		 1,707,757,893	
7		36		 1,800,523,731	
8		37		 4,257,172,692	
9		37		 3,632,048,539	
10		36		 5,122,109,377	
11		35		 2,971,667,745	
12		36		 8,759,943,111	
13		35		 3,408,909,487	
14		36		10,759,685,954	
15		35		 2,182,846,568	
16		38		 5,794,415,093	
17		35		 3,870,663,402
I also have screenshots showing Stockfish's analysis after each move. You can take a look at the attached image to see what Stockfish was thinking and what move it would have played if Nc3 was played for move 3 (the actual move was Nd2; I'll post that screenshot after the game(s) end).
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Old 2016-02-01, 17:50   #9
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Looks like it's official now. The Qxb6 game will be played first, and the poll for that game will open in 3 days.

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