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2015-10-03, 23:03   #353
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

2·5·11·97 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by science_man_88 sorry I thought I was the village idiot for some reason
You are, we suspect.

A serious question... Are you related to Rick Mercer?

2015-10-03, 23:09   #354
science_man_88

"Forget I exist"
Jul 2009
Dumbassville

24·3·52·7 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall You are, we suspect. A serious question... Are you related to Rick Mercer?
no not to my knowledge and our family genealogist died within the last month so I can't ask them. Also you also tend to get repetitive because that's the 4th time you've replied to a post I made that way in under 3 years.

 2015-10-03, 23:11 #355 James Heinrich     "James Heinrich" May 2004 ex-Northern Ontario 11·349 Posts The ranges should be correctly set for the delta graphs now.
2015-10-04, 03:27   #356
LaurV
Romulan Interpreter

"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand

2×5,059 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by science_man_88 no not to my knowledge and our family genealogist died within the last month so I can't ask them. Also you also tend to get repetitive because that's the 4th time you've replied to a post I made that way in under 3 years.
You know what? I would take that as a compliment. When he said it first time I googled for the guy and I really like that guy and what he is doing for the people with disabilities. I would like him to be my relative.

Now back on topic, @James
Quote:
 Originally Posted by James Heinrich The ranges should be correctly set for the delta graphs now.
Man I like the delta graphs! I can't understand how do you find the free time to do all that stuff. I wanted just to add that the delta graphs are better viewed from the angle of zero (due to the negative bars are difficult to see in 3D) so you could make a asterisk note under the graphs (better viewed from a zero angle, or so). Another idea, but that is already on the nitpicking side, is to make the negatives darker or change their border. But the zero angle note would be enough.

Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2015-10-04 at 03:29

2015-10-04, 03:32   #357
Uncwilly
6809 > 6502

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Aug 2003
101×103 Posts

3×3,581 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by James Heinrich I had to suppress some scaling code for delta graphs where I ran into divide-by-zero errors. I didn't have time to examine the problem so I hid it I'll have to go back and fix it properly sometime. I think so, but perhaps you could give me a more explicit example of what you're thinking of in this case.
This seems to break things:
http://www.mersenne.ca/status/tf/0/7/4/33200

2015-10-04, 03:52   #358
James Heinrich

"James Heinrich"
May 2004
ex-Northern Ontario

11×349 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Uncwilly This seems to break things: http://www.mersenne.ca/status/tf/0/7/4/33200
Thanks, fixed. It broke because I was lazy with the code and it caught me out by having no results in the first line of the table. I've fixed the code to be saner.

2015-10-04, 05:31   #359
Dubslow

"Bunslow the Bold"
Jun 2011
40<A<43 -89<O<-88

3·29·83 Posts

(Off topic post)

Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall There can be cases where dividing by zero is valid. This simply results in infinity.
That is of debatable merit in the computer realm. Perhaps in some symbolic logic packages, but almost never in PHP or JS or similar. Even including the symbolic logic packages, overall the cases where it is not an error are outweighed by the cases where it is by a couple orders of magnitude, so making them an error by default is a very sensible thing.
Quote:
 Originally Posted by science_man_88 this depends on direction see:
Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall In my opinion, only an idiot would link to a YT video to enter an argument.
Why?

There's nothing different between the content of the YouTube video and the content of a couple of topical Wikipedia articles, and sm_88 is correct.

In the majority of cases, linking a YouTube video in an argument might be considered dubious, but in this case it certainly wasn't, and... well, your resulting ad hominem certainly doesn't improve your own image.

Edit: Unless you consider the point specifically about sign to be irrelevant?

Last fiddled with by Dubslow on 2015-10-04 at 05:36

2015-10-06, 21:47   #360
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

1067010 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Dubslow There's nothing different between the content of the YouTube video and the content of a couple of topical Wikipedia articles, and sm_88 is correct.
I fundamentally disagree.

Videos can't be "parced" by many, including often myself.

This isn't always because of bandwidth or hardware limitations, but sometimes because of the unwillingness to have Javascript running on their machines where you don't really know what the code is doing to present the video.

Further, if one can't write what they mean to say, why should I listen to them? At least link to text (HTML et al) which I can read. I tend to read far faster than most can speak.

2015-10-06, 22:09   #361
science_man_88

"Forget I exist"
Jul 2009
Dumbassville

24·3·52·7 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall Further, if one can't write what they mean to say, why should I listen to them? At least link to text (HTML et al) which I can read. I tend to read far faster than most can speak.
it depends on the circumstances is what I meant because one thing pointed out is you can define division by 0 on the real number line if you say which direction you are going because the limits going both ways are only the same under absolute value as they are $\pm \infty$

2015-10-06, 23:38   #362
chalsall
If I May

"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002

246568 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by science_man_88 it depends on the circumstances is what I meant...
If it cost you something to do something, and you hadn't succeeded yet, would the cost to successes radio not be infinite at that point in time per attempt?

Last fiddled with by chalsall on 2015-10-06 at 23:46

2015-10-07, 01:29   #363
James Heinrich

"James Heinrich"
May 2004
ex-Northern Ontario

383910 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall Any progress on the P-1 / LL / DC deltas?
First version of LL data is up now:
http://www.mersenne.ca/status/ll

Resolution is limited to 1M because I'm (currently) grabbing data from http://www.mersenne.org/primenet/ which is trivial to parse for the data I need.

Data in this report goes back to 01-Feb-2012.

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