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Old 2023-02-14, 18:52   #1
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Default Cheap Cyclic Fermat's Tests

According to Fermat's PRP test if
N | a^(N-1)-1
Then N is a probable prime to base a.
This can be a computationally expensive test if N is a very large integer.

Now as an example and (ignoring the fact that Mersenne numbers are always PRP to base 2):
7 | 2^(7-1)-1 so it is a PRP to base 2.
A shortcut would be that since
7 | 2^(3)-1 and since 3 | ( 7-1) it follows that 7 | 2^(7-1)-1
Or more generally 7 | 2^(N-1)-1 for all integers N where 3 | (N-1)
This can be used to perform very cheap tests for very large integers N where if
N | a^(x)-1 && x | (N-1)
Then N is PRP to base a.
This can be used to construct very large integers N that will pass the test for very small integers x.
Unfortunately these constructed integers generally end up being Pseudoprimes to base a and the test has little practical use.
However, it is conceivable that some general candidates will yield a not so small x partway before the full exponentiation is performed, indicating if the candidate is a PRP or not.
I would appreciate your thoughts and thank you for your time.

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Old 2023-02-14, 22:06   #2
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The Solovay–Strassen primality test yields a result with one fewer iteration (when squaring) (half the N) of a Fermat test, if you're willing to check for a Jacobi symbol (which runs in logarithmic time, so it's relatively cheap compared to the main test). A weaker test involves a simple equality check for 1 or N - 1. The Solovay–Strassen test sits between the Fermat test and the Miller–Rabin test in terms of strength.

Edit: Sorry, I had a different post in mind before I remembered my logarithms. And you did say "not so small".

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Old 2023-02-15, 14:04   #3
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The Solovay–Strassen primality test yields a result with one fewer iteration (when squaring) (half the N) of a Fermat test, if you're willing to check for a Jacobi symbol (which runs in logarithmic time, so it's relatively cheap compared to the main test). A weaker test involves a simple equality check for 1 or N - 1. The Solovay–Strassen test sits between the Fermat test and the Miller–Rabin test in terms of strength.

Edit: Sorry, I had a different post in mind before I remembered my logarithms. And you did say "not so small".
Thank you for the link Happy5214,
However there are more than one subject there which are above my comprehension.

To clarify the concept I was referring to, here is a numeric example:

Code:
PRP22067 = 14081760257558730022545694985196062520493780635673898439426688430440965675893551690213884631042989421621898326633118368644188602409144124617319329324248968764792434142541280853494632202391967283366586824282513133712820015940364412849671771270204883586830761568659016331622397304133354365581981567716526076973712803217866397676020480235592542918136524343781021482665351592051541200684540430069483679614591643775527384380955219374420339766520110185178556989236953999725689826320432602075018065320793472649042557739178061091980016111354783934556539617148150952340536657776229921026250428234486396280099338986396666256248730051716141174760105195232917791043856310044910661949610100394791214455703577996444119401472984634881305379311740224678093886859469808162477254048080680996557160333833771652863480724103469843919778684837488270655102076236439476199832424194131066140587760689282194484067550953202950452950973883006399798695526320788922822803447908634827890454422311211862398625642413092783228047859335339965956732434900255391469391614246015174653465241836034100689886229611255174639837947322406632536641697795182274773021609220397383693614245936580826403125987674572539410721930334794879938689322202865160890652029897755424709961397535660280882463183065258480350819924022497396752230213200157526717620913746691434400673668084829809467836982339386561371394485899257219941470320784429256326061630799620522613354993235125162174766756704744900249908145550460972382479275017426051273722153157567151888063590247018589005091155742125722478241545102066982136409439719534033500903774999376830089639822089548759722257834099830673894110820550702813846633070547758010729638838889402145896789725281379573278762176017933541594180767443892395235799701657913623966346954044825824636920987970928011430590101569367489495529052909571576970901037870766781521473186515126658198397158823263684192392027121209547499980044176753337352021246944349041483232615162651438976761066250617010804895353841336931912023777182633477864382886604000582100999551500921343344496696927371197465222372330297940926139795776167035562165241189640848926727256649042530161553807062735665576763458611277642071462240921009886604244029871045601003061615030429163530592899753082834331361878946733125232794568380992433301754357446683617817756949061916048039817819968064387278471830583509337314077557563226602388714491376852651272867201032419444293101859687359978573573385260971267110267380716423896203616928435524425073534367683804133295726573499530359346062659908022382261484648490930928332605938197392982546604361914393603531889012786099986625501663569447363665975581252661587952594093166953375870200214622304301976628590950562412557609374458338605937117367953873900682250792027303635488694403444270980951296954131504526520831998570615824636440562621028423590093115998465792281375725186644362001312734613407431732039560143500609538659898424358552677194902590669123535684934779622387136349438007695931898906624105064023498485279035961237263721775696409559667702032221458544537351461997507819671612197087564090962487484561963518003566799630410285605870154553620408033131394604977138363872930511905924709023253161173361869860896809605542371542673256863950436999800620635198996310777828220687049507346504179885384347124623216785284437297027416665894504052411351138053585771839398862759051048859071464353655869050321681487878908874222761710839713581834333029662287074811457957645825596522296582080519950893937525644720272870060553163263488133890651979548255893700795871770568591679505233160896175119675403470245688984409107739095591131331294482238215982166212597556550136875684814645016088024553298069979537171026956014100497009339010162813775333597375819957284524134385859085651269842515829153804556196284641543110704264690490287636460145235427360337455681170839756718215839847736008345655653160425975007965655792495080800361754289325136737762394772454966381014209823434893920924628503129510028930949303162051407426799730398035735181759524308023089191473049056940257179881684533752552006286044279475026204548623345668819297373202974861547755100785274192498565768379541435405559755617208621132235892747890058193035288220307186242093418854685225586727302368799512597840300359738743595266924317407050317862414409145497020767048041608725759110982101232628615571387910392424782140763307890815094248714034356559699260292035152714044284673679757608442328000340194761527795033084013912539198997044225660630235487086190119276070823114352091051170635568797731795770328528177282518810918942017909142956490953098774629963101863128203699241399984611212327086212580339845185951437879365823104681610981509039041026055184470955913787490932383901383559549058627879003503161420987977638215407468052792394073371401059772665431068396760025998376520730261740591618111869715794924137436104124650527790492717880726465144455731897778294847332641463340910960612007474245353495767516207019395274630654924357010903159779301158970485890852412860595787909409197445708891083273531992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Mod(19,PRP22067)^18707==1 && 18707 | (prp22067-1) =>> PRP22067 is PRP to base 19
The above conclusion is obtained by exponentiating 19 to the power 18707 which is much cheaper than exponentiating to (PRP22067-1).
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Thank you for the link Happy5214,
However there are more than one subject there which are above my comprehension.

To clarify the concept I was referring to, here is a numeric example:

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PRP22067 = 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Mod(19,PRP22067)^18707==1 && 18707 | (prp22067-1) =>> PRP22067 is PRP to base 19
The above conclusion is obtained by exponentiating 19 to the power 18707 which is much cheaper than exponentiating to (PRP22067-1).
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If you're looking for that direction of the proof, it's almost immediate:

Let \(n - 1 = xy\), where \(x\) is the smaller number you want to take the power of. Then \(a^x \equiv 1 \pmod{n} \Rightarrow a^{n-1} = a^{xy} = (a^x)^y \equiv 1^y \equiv 1 \pmod{n}\).
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Thank you very much for the elegant proof Happy5214.
However the concept is simple enough that even I could figure it out.
I am more interested in discussions about how the concept can (or cannot) be utilized to perform a PRP test cheaper (and perhaps much cheaper) by exponentiating to a smaller exponent than the full value of the candidate-1.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
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Originally Posted by a1call View Post
I am more interested in discussions about how the concept can (or cannot) be utilized to perform a PRP test cheaper (and perhaps much cheaper) by exponentiating to a smaller exponent than the full value of the candidate-1.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
Code:
 n=2^17-1;facs=factor(n-1)~[1,];foreach(facs,fac,R=lift(Mod(3,n)^fac);print([n,R==1,fac,R]))                                                
[131071, 0, 2, 9]                                                          
[131071, 0, 3, 27]
[131071, 0, 5, 243]
[131071, 0, 17, 35228]
[131071, 0, 257, 73071]
I guess it works in exceptional cases. Perhaps someone can tell us what these are.
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It does not work for Mersennes. It could work for their factors and it could work for Fermats.
My PARI is too old for "foreach".

Quote:
Mod(17,257)^64
Mod(1, 257)
64 | (257-1)

Quote:
Mod(17,2^(2^5)+1)^4
Mod(83521, 4294967297)
4 | (4294967297-1)

Code:
Mod(257,2^(2^4)+1)^64
Mod(1, 65537)
64 | (F4-1)

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The test for Fermats is not valid for the bases I chose since the test would be positive regardless of primality.

I have some work in progress that might work for other bases. Or, I could be wrong as usual.
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Or, I could be wrong as usual.
It takes someone strong to do something like this. Thank you for doing that. It takes a serious person to do that kind of thing. Seriously... 8^)
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Thank you chalsall,
I rather risk being wrong than not trying stuff.

So here is a Mersenne number test:

Mod(5,2^11-1)^44 = Mod(1, 2047)
&&
44 !| M11-1
Which deduces that M11 is not PRP to base 5 obtained by exponentiating to power of 44 rather than 2046.
And to think that it only took me the whole afternoon to find it. If that's not cheap then I don't know what is.

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Sometimes failure is a good thing.
When a candidate fails a PRP test for any given base then it is definitely a composite and not probably a composite. It is not easy (for me) to get the right base but there might just be a fast algorithm for getting these cheap bases. After all they do exist.

Code:
q=29
p=2^q-1
Mod(7,p)^39672 =  Mod(1, 536870911)
&&
39672 !| M29-1
Which deduces that M29 is not PRP to base 7 obtained by exponentiating to power of 39672 rather than 536870910.
Code:

q=37
p=2^q-1
Mod(3,p)^308159088 =  Mod(1, 137438953471)
&&
308159088 !| M37-1
Which deduces that M37 is not PRP to base 3 obtained by exponentiating to power of 308159088 rather than 137438953470.

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