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Dec 2008
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_Inspired by a paper of A. Kourbatov and M. Wolf (https://arxiv.org/pdf/1901.03785.pdf, brought to my attention via rudy235's post https://www.mersenneforum.org/showpo...34&postcount=3), I took a venture into the issue of gaps between primes of the same residue class mod q myself.
_One of the first ideas was to make a list, similar to Dr. Nicely's list, for each q. We only have to look at even values of q, since the list looks practically the same for e.g. q=7 and q=14. _It would look something like this (g = gap size): Code:
g/q q=2 q=4 q=6 q=8 ... 1 3 3 5 3 2 7 5 19 7 3 23 17 43 17 4 89 73 283 41 5 139 83 197 61 6 199 113 521 311 7 113 691 1109 137 8 1831 197 2389 457 9 523 383 1327 647 10 887 1321 4363 1913 11 1129 1553 8297 673 ... _(Don't ask me why I wrote "perpendicular" here, it's just an image that conjured up in my head for the approach and I can't seem to think of any better word for it at the moment.) _This would give us a single list like the one for the ordinary prime gaps where record hunters can hunt for new heights in terms of merit and CSG ratio. _A maximum value for both merit and CSG ratio can be found for each g/q Code:
record record g/q merit q p CSG ratio q p 1 1.044 30 7 0.35468 6 5 2 1.760 30 19 0.44989 4 5 3 2.267 30 61 0.46810 6 43 4 2.782 90 29 0.56356 36 13 5 3.118 210 503 0.52731 16 17 6 3.518 420 503 0.53135 240 47 7 4.103 420 379 0.58809 66 229 8 4.293 840 577 0.62318 40 89 9 4.676 840 1129 0.58533 62 19 10 5.030 1260 797 0.62602 66 941 11 5.326 1470 1559 0.72822 52 29 12 5.607 1890 2141 0.64058 140 701 13 5.962 2310 21211 0.67268 372 263 14 6.481 1050 5647 0.72290 130 461 15 6.542 9240 7621 0.77047 46 197 16 6.969 3150 2953 0.75173 1140 1933 17 7.267 30030 10037 0.75225 594 1213 18 7.630 4410 1223 0.73922 4410 1223 19 7.534 10920 62743 0.74289 174 5413 20 8.349 9240 24413 0.72892 2184 7841 21 8.395 11550 62597 0.75321 3822 557 22 9.039 5250 887 0.84885 5250 887 23 8.969 13860 88397 0.82106 70 7151 24 9.067 5070 2053 0.84321 5070 2053 25 9.126 117810 100003 0.76086 46 3109 26 9.708 9240 278459 0.91336 456 7283 27 10.044 16170 215077 0.87722 82 1553 28 10.329 11760 14759 0.87084 11760 14759 29 10.351 66990 341287 0.84785 2028 12109 30 11.239 43890 220307 0.97552 3696 8539 31 10.720 24150 225077 0.81048 24150 225077 32 10.647 330330 1929071 0.85442 400 9371 33 11.739 120120 655579 0.81450 11850 76607 34 11.541 53130 1877773 0.87622 3528 59221 35 11.542 35490 1155923 0.82734 1764 159737 36 12.640 131670 141587 0.97006 444 35257 37 12.140 92400 864107 0.92188 558 58207 38 12.884 49980 146117 0.93973 49980 146117 39 12.669 189420 906473 0.88131 31710 593689 40 13.387 60060 4654417 0.92989 4420 3019 ... 209 1.14919 18692 190071823 (largest CSG ratio found by Kourbatov and Wolf) ... for merit and _(That phi doesn't look quite right there... building TEX expressions is tedious.) _In English, this here is looking for large prime gaps of size g=k*q in terms of merit and CSG ratio for even q with smallest prime p such that p+g is also prime and p+i*q is composite for all 0<i<k, i _Well, all in all, this appears to be rather contrived. Does anyone even understand what I'm doing here? (Do I even understand it anymore?:) |
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Dec 2008
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_I don't think so. But I'm probably going to need some feedback. None of the papers I've read so far discussed the topic at hand.
_While calculating the merit of a gap via g/log(p), and the Cramér-Shanks-Granville (CSG) ratio accordingly as g/log²(p), the first few values of the latter expression don't fit in the picture. Even when the right-hand bounding prime p'=p+g is used, for p=7 and p'=11, CSG=g/log²(p')=0.69566, a value that is first superseded at p=2010733. And the situation is worse for the two smaller maximal gaps. You know what I mean, we can't compare CSG ratios like that for small p. _Recall that CSG is always M²/g, multiplied by _For my musings, consistency is key, thus I resorted to calculating the merit M=R(p')-R(p) in terms of the formula _and I was quite happy with it for some time now. The average probability of a random number x being prime, by this reasoning, is a bit smaller than 1/log(x), namely _Yet something kept bugging me. There is another term (well, actually, two terms) in the smooth part of the famous Riemann prime counting formula, which gives a strictly increasing function for x>1 that fits perfectly between the stairs of _But now [Ri(3)-Ri(2)]²/1=0.91808, a value that is only challenged by Nyman's gap with CSG=0.92064 for all primes<264. Things are getting more troublesome with prime gaps in arithmetic progression. The comparison in the attached table shows that it's not quite right to simply take M=Ri(p')-Ri(p). (I've just noticed that I used ln instead of log there, just don't get confused by that:) _M=Ri(p'+½)-Ri(p+½) is good for ordinary gaps (q=2), but not for arithmetic progressions. _The most appropriate and consistent way I could find of dealing with the measure of the gaps is to take the sum of the derivatives of Ri(x) at all integers x=p+iq for 1 _Cross-check: Ri(x) ~ _Better yet: Ri(x)-Ri(c) < _What follows is that we have to distinguish the values of q mod 4. _When q mod 4=0, _When q mod 4=2, _So the question goes to the reader: Is this getting out of hand? |
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_No objections from anyone, so I have to throw in my own concerns.
_Even if Ri'(x) is as precise as possible for describing the local average probability that x is prime, I still have a few second or third thoughts about _I'm well aware this all sounds nitpicky. But when collecting data about extraordinarily large gaps, a "fair and square" measure of the gaps should be of the essence. _In other news, and as not even WolframAlpha could give an answer to my satisfaction (i.e. one I was hoping to find) for the series expansion at x=1, I've worked out my own _where s(n,k) are Stirling numbers, and, for x> |
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Dec 2008
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Been re-reading "Prime number races" by Granville and Martin and "Cramér vs. Cramér" by Pintz again, also some of Maier's work. (The more I read it, the better I understand it.)
Conclusion: Might as well go with It's close enough to what I previously thought was the most accurate way of measuring the merit and quite easy to calculate. A trade-off, so to speak. q=188940 / p=8356739 / g=76*q qualifies as CSG>1 even by g/log²(p')/ If anyone's interested, I'll post a more exhaustive list of gaps with CSG>1 when measured by the above formula. |
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Dec 2008
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k g p p' q r CSG p'-style by 118 3758772 144803717 148562489 31854 27287 1.0000152764 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 179 1885228 163504573 165389801 10532 5805 1.0000704209 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 83 43562550 1901563 45464113 524850 327013 1.0014031914 Raab, 20.02.2020 167 2306938 82541821 84848759 13814 3171 1.0022590147 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 118 1594416 145465687 147060103 13512 9007 1.0026889378 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 87 13075056 1108727 14183783 150288 56711 1.0044797434 Raab, 25.02.2020 144 1717149024 2144897 1719293921 11924646 2144897 1.0045650866 Raab, 13.02.2020: largest known p' and largest known q for an extraordinarily large gap 115 6580070 9659921 16239991 57218 47297 1.0046426332 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 128 7044864 302145839 309190703 55038 42257 1.0048671503 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 129 1263426 10176791 11440217 9794 825 1.0056800570 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 135 6336090 10862323 17198413 46934 20569 1.0064940453 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 63 532602 355339 887941 8454 271 1.0081862161 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 199 3108778 524646211 527754989 15622 12585 1.0098218219 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 166 2937868 71725099 74662967 17698 12803 1.0103309882 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 89 3002682 8462609 11465291 33738 28109 1.0107025944 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 135 2453760 11626561 14080321 18176 12097 1.0107626289 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 86 47941560 49222847 97164407 557460 166367 1.0125803645 Raab, 25.02.2020 192 5450496 366870073 372320569 28388 11949 1.0140771094 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 55 229350 1409633 1638983 4170 173 1.0145547849 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 156 2823288 37906669 40729957 18098 9457 1.0162761199 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 183 7326222 222677837 230004059 40034 8729 1.0166221904 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 144 657504 896016139 896673643 4566 2563 1.0179389550 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 102 5910084 51763573 57673657 57942 21367 1.0199911211 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 211 2119706 665152001 667271707 10046 6341 1.0223668231 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 135 411480 470669167 471080647 3048 55 1.0235488825 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 76 14359440 8356739 22716179 188940 43379 1.0302944159 Raab, 18.12.2019 79 316790 726611 1043401 4010 801 1.0309808771 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 129 2266530 198565889 200832419 17570 7319 1.0335372951 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 115 984170 5357381 6341551 8558 73 1.0339720553 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 115 3422630 735473 4158103 29762 21185 1.0368176014 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 53 2413620 355417 2769037 45540 36637 1.0386945028 Raab, 11.12.2019 104 5609136 34016537 39625673 53934 38117 1.0412524005 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 82 2972664 5323187 8295851 36252 30395 1.0427690852 Raab, 20.02.2020 101 4575906 20250677 24826583 45306 44201 1.0463153374 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 147 7230930 130172279 137403209 49190 15539 1.0468373915 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 115 132625590 2839657 135465247 1153266 533125 1.0536024200 Raab, 21.02.2020 112 1896608 164663 2061271 16934 12257 1.0598397341 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 222 1530912 728869417 730400329 6896 3593 1.0684247390 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 201 3415794 376981823 380397617 16994 3921 1.0703375544 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 78 2157480 13074917 15232397 27660 19397 1.0716522452 Kourbatov/Wolf 2019 65 208650 3415781 3624431 3210 341 1.0786589153 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 81 20655000 7827217 28482217 255000 177217 1.0953885874 Raab, 19.02.2020 206 8083028 344107541 352190569 39238 29519 1.1134625422 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 209 3906628 190071823 193978451 18692 11567 1.1480589845 Kourbatov/Wolf 2016 g = k*q p = left-hand bounding prime p' = right-hand bounding prime r = p mod q "p'-style": CSG ratio per g/phi(q)/log²(p') |
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r=83341 q=2p Later... |
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Interesting. What is the exact method for organizing the gaps in the first table? Why, for example, is the gap of 2 between 3 and 5 not in the list?
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![]() For each positive integer k, there is a set of values {q,p} (q: positive integer, p: prime number) such that the value for CSG is a maximum. You can think of k as the number of steps in the arithmetic progression p+q*i, where p and p'=p+q*k are prime, and for each positive integer i<k, p+q*i is composite. If either q or p is larger than a certain threshold depending on k and CSG_max, then CSG cannot be larger than CSG_max for that respective k. Furthermore, see the explanation at the end of this post. I have to elaborate a bit more, using my most recent data... Code:
k gap q p CSG_approx (*) 1 6 6 5 0.3022785196 2 4 2 7 0.4198790468 3 18 6 43 0.4580864612 4 144 36 13 0.5078937563 5 80 16 17 0.4945922381 6 216 36 181 0.5127749768 7 420 60 491 0.5785564482 8 320 40 89 0.6047328717 9 558 660 509 0.5563553702 10 660 66 941 0.6217267610 11 572 52 29 0.6957819573 12 1680 140 701 0.6322530512 13 4836 372 263 0.6532943787 14 1820 130 461 0.7120451019 15 690 46 197 0.7591592880 16 18240 1140 1933 0.7397723670 17 10098 594 1213 0.7408740922 18 79380 4410 1223 0.7223904024 19 3306 174 5413 0.7408652838 20 43680 2184 7841 0.7221957974 21 80262 3822 557 0.7356639423 22 115500 5250 887 0.8308343056 23 1610 70 7151 0.8202819418 24 121680 5070 2053 0.8291269738 25 1150 46 3109 0.7597500489 26 11856 456 7283 0.9098465138 27 2214 82 1553 0.8737278189 28 329280 11760 14759 0.8621806027 29 58812 2028 12109 0.8428999967 30 110880 3696 8539 0.9673158356 31 748650 24150 225077 0.8075674871 32 12800 400 9371 0.8520823935 33 391050 11850 76607 0.8108498874 34 119952 3528 59221 0.8737815728 35 61740 1764 159737 0.8267138843 36 15984 444 35257 0.9691356428 37 20646 558 58207 0.9212072554 38 1899240 49980 146117 0.9347761396 39 1236690 31710 593689 0.8794865058 40 176800 4420 3019 0.9204205455 41 212790 5190 479023 0.8758770439 42 294336 7008 15241 0.9157336406 43 128742 2994 113209 0.8850050549 44 194568 4422 62929 1.0347442307 45 754110 16758 333857 0.9208075667 46 11408460 248010 197963 0.8559649162 47 1639830 34890 130241 0.9537642386 48 2903040 60480 1828019 0.9360724738 49 66542 1358 29669 0.9501377450 50 8389500 167790 5943139 0.9150876319 51 14372820 281820 13354567 0.8816531164 52 2717520 52260 1431047 0.9780119273 53 2413620 45540 355417 1.1428167595 54 1343952 24888 135349 0.9670359549 55 229350 4170 1409633 1.0239918543 56 1172080 20930 801337 0.9276488991 57 1393650 24450 2403677 0.9627968462 58 5614980 96810 14224709 0.9172670989 59 19866480 336720 330791 0.9322437089 60 62546400 1042440 2426279 0.9655595927 61 570228 9348 1917871 0.9276525018 62 6145440 99120 14717069 0.9901575968 63 532602 8454 355339 1.0661299147 64 3225600 50400 21226511 0.9750409914 65 208650 3210 3415781 1.0821910171 66 1216512 18432 345577 1.0553714212 67 15812670 236010 800977 1.0100437615 68 964512 14184 697979 1.0519847511 69 1820910 26390 2449313 1.0007068828 70 1016260 14518 71713 1.0299861032 71 12309270 173370 8843699 0.9783007566 72 89555760 1243830 28312943 0.9682330236 73 99430380 1362060 48296291 1.0123498941 74 4013316 54234 1929793 1.0197942618 75 126094500 1681260 3818929 1.0382605330 76 98090160 1290660 1729477 1.0909304152 77 31955154 415002 5752739 0.9847660715 78 2157480 27660 13074917 1.0809486020 79 316790 4010 726611 1.0553141458 80 17746560 221832 3144419 1.0047285893 81 20655000 255000 7827217 1.1632336984 82 2972664 36252 5323187 1.0695381429 83 43562550 524850 1901563 1.1083998142 84 117356400 1397100 1629601 1.0126819069 85 16106820 189492 270509 1.0396328686 (q>2e6 TBD) 86 47941560 557460 49222847 1.0463006323 (q>1e6 TBD) 87 13075056 150288 1108727 1.1084866852 (q>1e6 TBD) 88 130738608 1485666 7421363 1.0424690911 (q>3e6 TBD) for comparative reasons. (You may notice the outcome is slightly different compared to my first table, as the formula is slightly different.) The sum of derivatives of R(x) as explained in earlier posts is to be preferred IMHO, but it slows down the searching process terribly; the approximation formula as given here is the best for this purpose. Perhaps I should make some error analysis though. One issue I have to mention is that I only look at even values of q, since the values for the initial primes p are the same for odd q/2, except when the initial prime is 2. For 2 (I've been thinking about this problem of making the CSG values comparable for waaay too long, somebody please stop me...) Using the formula above, the gap between 3 and 5 has CSG=0.2956906641, where q=2 and k=1, so it's smaller in terms of CSG than the one in the table. This gap can also be represented with q=1 and k=2, in this case CSG would be 0.3127125473, which is again smaller than the value for k=2. That's way it's not listed. |
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Dec 2008
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I've taken to do a systematic search for prime gaps in arithmetic progression.
(Perhaps this thread should be renamed "Prime gaps in arithmetic progression" as I'm not keeping the data for the gaps for every residue class seperately, the amount of data generated would be enormous...) Here I'm focussing on sequences with common difference q < ~1000 for even q. The main goal is to find a gap with CSG > 1 which is also > q², a matter considered on page 11 in https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.02115v2. This is done in agreement with the authors of the paper. Here's the status quo: Code:
q: common difference in arithmetic progression p+k*q CSG: Cramér-Shanks-Granville ratio per gap/phi(q)/log(p')² where p'=p+gap CSG_max: maximum value found for CSG up to p_limit p: initial prime of the gap p_limit: search limit for p' q CSG_max gap p p_limit 2 0.7394648022 210 20831323 3600000000 4 0.7678340865 684 1464395089 7200000000 6 0.7541322181 462 39895309 10800000000 8 0.7436946715 1424 3176384429 14400000000 10 0.8043339165 1610 5189671259 18000000000 12 0.8052809769 1740 12411153017 21600000000 14 0.8096072055 2310 2955286913 25200000000 16 0.9046153418 3728 7194688583 28800000000 18 0.7887450235 702 194027 32400000000 20 0.7944296249 1600 7775737 36000000000 22 0.8617839921 2002 4160719 39600000000 24 0.7948892517 3720 31920285041 43200000000 26 0.7982175172 5694 38786373547 46800000000 28 0.8452080697 3836 279251711 50400000000 30 0.8058232068 1980 40846943 54000000000 32 0.8965150715 3808 11911369 57600000000 34 0.8182937153 3876 29673503 61200000000 36 0.7872577337 5400 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