Vote Chess game 1: the post snort'em - Page 2

bsquared · 2013-07-10, 18:25

I am too much a novice to be able to take part in a game, but I'm a non-vocal follower. So, I'm interested in looking at the newly-revealed team analysis, but I can't seem to find any team sub-fora. Everyone is talking about it like it is obvious, but I see no forums inside the chess sub-forum. Are they somewhere else?

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nevermind. I just needed to log in. I usually browse without logging in so that was the problem.

chalsall · 2013-07-10, 18:55

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Originally Posted by davieddy

Could the principle be applied to trial factoring?

Would you like to play a game of Go?

Brian-E · 2013-07-10, 19:25

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Originally Posted by bsquared

I am too much a novice to be able to take part in a game, but I'm a non-vocal follower. So, I'm interested in looking at the newly-revealed team analysis, but I can't seem to find any team sub-fora. Everyone is talking about it like it is obvious, but I see no forums inside the chess sub-forum. Are they somewhere else?

[edit]
nevermind. I just needed to log in. I usually browse without logging in so that was the problem.

If you like what you see, Ben, please consider joining a team for game 2. Playing strength is not an issue.

davieddy · 2013-07-11, 00:24

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Originally Posted by Brian-E

various non-chess difficulties

I will charitably assume you refer to Raman here, as distinct from my incorrigible self.

LaurV · 2013-07-11, 01:58

Yeah, I would like BB in our team!

OTOH, are you sure about starting a new game? I mean, I also finished to read Gecko's forums and I found out strange things happen during we play chess: people get sick, have car accidents (I also was involved in one, three cars damaged, fortunately no injuries), go MIA and never come back to the forum, get grandchildren... etc. I though these things happened only in my team, but I see the other team had plenty too... Better we wait for a while...

LaurV · 2013-07-11, 02:03

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Originally Posted by chalsall

Would you like to play a game of Go?

Go where?

bsquared · 2013-07-11, 02:15

Thanks for the invites and enthusiasm! I will think about it. The time commitment is a concern, above my ineptitude.

davieddy · 2013-07-11, 04:52

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Originally Posted by chalsall

One of the fundamentals of Science is having an audit trail.

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Originally Posted by davieddy

Wise words.
Could the principle be applied to trial factoring?

QUOTE=chalsall;345963]Would you like to play a game of Go?[/QUOTE]
Too many squares.

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Originally Posted by LaurV

Go where?

Preferably somewhere warm.

xx

Brian-E · 2013-07-11, 08:28

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Originally Posted by LaurV

Yeah, I would like BB in our team!

OTOH, are you sure about starting a new game? I mean, I also finished to read Gecko's forums and I found out strange things happen during we play chess: people get sick, have car accidents (I also was involved in one, three cars damaged, fortunately no injuries), go MIA and never come back to the forum, get grandchildren... etc. I though these things happened only in my team, but I see the other team had plenty too... Better we wait for a while...

Yes, I guess our dirty laundry is hanging out just like yours is. We did indeed have our trials and tribulations too. Now we'll just have to start a new game, otherwise we'll never know what would happen this time around.

chalsall · 2013-07-11, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Brian-E

Yes, I guess our dirty laundry is hanging out just like yours is. We did indeed have our trials and tribulations too. Now we'll just have to start a new game, otherwise we'll never know what would happen this time around.

If I may say, it was thrilling watching every player in that game.

Sad it wasn't broadcast with ads... Then each of you might a few million richer (bit coins, sorry -- maybe $1000 USD).

IMO, you all played honorably and well. And we're look forward to watching you all play again sometime soon.

(Audio hint: Just in case it isn't clear, the above should be heard with an Irish accent.)

gd_barnes · 2013-07-13, 10:17

I see little analysis done here so I'll get it started. I will stick with what I said before. I think playing the closed Sicilian, while not necessary a mistake, per se, allowed black to equalize almost immediately in most variations.

Here are some moves that might have improved the chances of both sides:

8 ... d5 (vs. Nd4) by black. Immediately threatens the fork at d4 and forces white to either move the c3 knight or e3 bishop, gaining a tempo, or to swap off the pawns opening black up to an even more favorable position. The agressive Nd4 move was still good for black and he maintained the slight advantage gained from the somewhat unusual opening by whtie.

13. d4 (vs. g4) by white. g4 was a clear error. Most variations that I looked at had white's king side overly exposed within 10-15 moves. White needs to work on extracting his queen so that he can better mobolize his forces and possibly swap off black's dangerous b7 bishop. Black's follow up move of 13 ... f5 was excellent and exploited the error relatively quickly. Had white moved 13. d4, he could have followed 13 ... f5 with 14. e5 threatening to swap off black's dangerous bishop.

14. ... fxe4 (vs. e5) by black. Black gives back the error and is back to only a slight advantage. 14 ... fxe4 15. Bxe4 Nd5 -or- 15. dxe4 d5 and black has excellent mobilition and a clear space advantage. With 14 ... e5, white can play 15. c4 and essentially equalize but he misses it. See next.

15. c4 (vs. c3) by white. c3 was likely the most costly error of the game by white. He needs more space and needs to prevent black from opening up with the eventual d5 and c4 pawn advances. I believe had white played c4 here, the sides were dead even. Black cannot easily open up the center and advance his pawns.

16. Qc2 (vs. Qb3) by white. Avoids the tempo gained by black with 16 ... c4. White continues to allow black to open up his position and close down white's position.

Everything was fairly elementary from black's move 16 thru white's move 19. Once black then played 19 ... Nd5, white was in bad shape and the game almost played itself for black from then on.

In synopsis, white's non-standard opening combined with fairly clear errors at moves 13 and 15 sealed his fate. Any errors after that pointed out by black became simply inaccuracies that allowed black to win more quickly. IMHO, black effectively had a "forced" win from move 19 on.

Please note that I independently came to this analysis on my own without reference to specific posts here so please excuse me if I have repeated anything already. I can't guarantee complete accuracy of the analysis but hopefully it will open up some discussion about the game.

2013-07-10, 18:25	#12
bsquared "Ben" Feb 2007 111010110100₂ Posts	I am too much a novice to be able to take part in a game, but I'm a non-vocal follower. So, I'm interested in looking at the newly-revealed team analysis, but I can't seem to find any team sub-fora. Everyone is talking about it like it is obvious, but I see no forums inside the chess sub-forum. Are they somewhere else? [edit] nevermind. I just needed to log in. I usually browse without logging in so that was the problem. Last fiddled with by bsquared on 2013-07-10 at 18:26

2013-07-11, 01:58	#16
LaurV Romulan Interpreter "name field" Jun 2011 Thailand 2⁴×643 Posts	Yeah, I would like BB in our team! OTOH, are you sure about starting a new game? I mean, I also finished to read Gecko's forums and I found out strange things happen during we play chess: people get sick, have car accidents (I also was involved in one, three cars damaged, fortunately no injuries), go MIA and never come back to the forum, get grandchildren... etc. I though these things happened only in my team, but I see the other team had plenty too... Better we wait for a while... Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2013-07-11 at 01:59

2013-07-13, 10:17	#22
gd_barnes "Gary" May 2007 Overland Park, KS 3×31×131 Posts	I see little analysis done here so I'll get it started. I will stick with what I said before. I think playing the closed Sicilian, while not necessary a mistake, per se, allowed black to equalize almost immediately in most variations. Here are some moves that might have improved the chances of both sides: 8 ... d5 (vs. Nd4) by black. Immediately threatens the fork at d4 and forces white to either move the c3 knight or e3 bishop, gaining a tempo, or to swap off the pawns opening black up to an even more favorable position. The agressive Nd4 move was still good for black and he maintained the slight advantage gained from the somewhat unusual opening by whtie. 13. d4 (vs. g4) by white. g4 was a clear error. Most variations that I looked at had white's king side overly exposed within 10-15 moves. White needs to work on extracting his queen so that he can better mobolize his forces and possibly swap off black's dangerous b7 bishop. Black's follow up move of 13 ... f5 was excellent and exploited the error relatively quickly. Had white moved 13. d4, he could have followed 13 ... f5 with 14. e5 threatening to swap off black's dangerous bishop. 14. ... fxe4 (vs. e5) by black. Black gives back the error and is back to only a slight advantage. 14 ... fxe4 15. Bxe4 Nd5 -or- 15. dxe4 d5 and black has excellent mobilition and a clear space advantage. With 14 ... e5, white can play 15. c4 and essentially equalize but he misses it. See next. 15. c4 (vs. c3) by white. c3 was likely the most costly error of the game by white. He needs more space and needs to prevent black from opening up with the eventual d5 and c4 pawn advances. I believe had white played c4 here, the sides were dead even. Black cannot easily open up the center and advance his pawns. 16. Qc2 (vs. Qb3) by white. Avoids the tempo gained by black with 16 ... c4. White continues to allow black to open up his position and close down white's position. Everything was fairly elementary from black's move 16 thru white's move 19. Once black then played 19 ... Nd5, white was in bad shape and the game almost played itself for black from then on. In synopsis, white's non-standard opening combined with fairly clear errors at moves 13 and 15 sealed his fate. Any errors after that pointed out by black became simply inaccuracies that allowed black to win more quickly. IMHO, black effectively had a "forced" win from move 19 on. Please note that I independently came to this analysis on my own without reference to specific posts here so please excuse me if I have repeated anything already. I can't guarantee complete accuracy of the analysis but hopefully it will open up some discussion about the game. Last fiddled with by gd_barnes on 2013-07-13 at 10:28

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2013-07-11, 02:15	#18
bsquared "Ben" Feb 2007 7264₈ Posts	Thanks for the invites and enthusiasm! I will think about it. The time commitment is a concern, above my ineptitude.