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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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McKinsey & Company, a global management consulting firm (http://www.mckinsey.com/About_us) published a report earlier this month about the prospects for the solar power (solar photovoltaics, or PV) industry.
“Solar power: Darkest before dawn” http://www.mckinsey.com/Client_Service/Sustainability/Latest_thinking/~/media/McKinsey/dotcom/client_service/Sustainability/PDFs/SRP_solar.ashx (Note: It's a secured PDF -- you can download and view it, but can't copy from it. The three charts I link to are a blog's screen shots.) McKinsey's site has an introductory article (http://www.mckinsey.com/Client_Servi...s_next_shining) that says: Quote:
http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/...2.14.20-PM.png There's a blog post (http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...tipping-point/) that has screen shots of three charts (including the one above) from the PDF: Quote:
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- - - Just for the record, this is the title I'm giving this thread as I start it: Economic prospects for solar photovoltaic power I don't expect that to last long. :-) Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2012-05-01 at 18:29 |
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"Jason Goatcher"
Mar 2005
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Another thing that's important and could help things is finding better ways to transfer energy. The farther electricity has to be transferred, the more that bleeds out en-route.
Solar panels and wind turbines tend to have their optimal building spots really far away from the people who actually need the power. Personally, I think encouraging people to use smaller cars is a good idea. Have super-small one person cars that aren't highway safe but are specifically for driving around town. My dad drives an F150. But he doesn't actually need an F150. We could get my mom a little car, which is what she'd prefer anyway, and my dad could take the van back for himself. Another thing I've thought about is wind drag on small cars. It'd be great to have something that extracts itself from the back of the car when you get above a certain speed, something to make the car more aerodynamic. Maybe something where it's okay for it to be fragile because people won't actually ride back there, so if somebody crashes into it, it's no big deal except for expense. |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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US marines go to war in Afghanistan with solar cells embedded in their rucksacks, efficient enough to recharge lithium-ion batteries for radios and greatly lighten loads" Quote:
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Sep 2009
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The biggest variable is what time of day and year you have most demand for electricity. Germany has most demand in winter, after the sun has set, so they need enough conventional generating capacity to meet peak load without any help from solar power. Which makes solar power uneconomic unless it's nearly free. The same is true of anywhere else at a similar latitude.
In the tropics and subtropics demand is highest during the day. So you can meet most of the daytime peak without needing a conventional backup. That makes a big difference. And a sunny climate helps a lot as well. In the USA they could generate solar power in the southwest and transmit it to the consumers in the rest of the country (and in Canada). That would not be cheap but at least the whole country is politically stable. In Europe they would have to cross several borders and the Mediterranean sea. And would you like to have to rely on Egypt to supply your electricity? Chris |
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Apr 2010
Over the rainbow
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Egypt? not atm at least. Otherwise, why not.
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"𒉺𒌌𒇷𒆷𒀭"
May 2003
Down not across
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Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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"Kieren"
Jul 2011
In My Own Galaxy!
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I have seen proposals for solar concentration installations in the Sahara. These lend themselves to molten salt storage for night generation. The next link was to be very high voltage DC transmission lines across the Mediterranean. DC transmission is made feasible by modern technology, and is much lower loss than AC transmission.
Of course, the thought of a careless ship dragging an anchor through the installation and blacking out a big chunk of Europe is worrisome to say the least. It has been bad enough when data cables have been taken out. |
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If I May
"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002
Barbados
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It would have to be ***VERY*** high DC voltage, and is only more efficient than AC when the cable is routed through water (or some other inductive medium).
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Sep 2002
República de California
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Friend just forwaded the following to me:
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"Jeff"
Feb 2012
St. Louis, Missouri, USA
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High Voltage DC has much less line loss than AC, and creates less heat which equals less sagging in the lines. Also means less insulation is needed which reduces cost. The greatest advantage from a transmission system operations standpoint is that there is no need to synchronize the grids.
We've just passed the 10 year anniversary of the largest black out in North American history which was caused by heat-induced line sag. About the only downside is that it's hard to deal with power fluctuations such as lightning strikes. Meaning that they are better off run underground (which increases cost, or underwater which adds other dangers. |
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