RDNA2 / Big Navi

M344587487 · 2020-10-28, 16:59

AMD announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpgu-cTjyM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAPtu06eYI

tl;dr:

Infinity cache - "Graphics optimised, high density, high speed cache, based on the Zen L3 cache". graph shows 2.17x bandwidth of infinity cache + 256 bit GDDR6 compared to 384 bit GDDR6 on typical gaming workloads
Smart access memory - Zen3 processors can have full access to GPU memory? Showing single digit % performance increase in some games not specifically optimised for it, promises that workloads can specifically optimise for even better performance. Performance figures shown are with this feature enabled so this is one way they've fudged the numbers

6800

60 CU's
1815 MHz game clock
2105 MHz boost clock
128MB infinity cache
16GB GDDR6, 256 bit?
250W TBP
November 18th
$579

6800XT

72 CU's
2015 MHz game clock
2250 MHz boost clock
128MB infinity cache
16GB GDDR6 256 bit
300W TBP
November 18th
$649
Shown rivalling 3080 in games

6900XT

80 CU's
2015 MHz game clock
2250 MHz boost clock
128MB infinity cache
16GB GDDR6 256 bit?
300W TBP
December 8th
$999
Shown rivalling 3090 in games

At a glance it looks promising. Infinity cache has a chance of being insanely good for our purposes but who knows. The high price is also a good sign that they're confident that they're competitive, in gaming. Timely compute and Linux support, unlikely.

firejuggler · 2020-10-28, 18:05

The 6800 look like a fair competition to the RTX3070 price wise. Now we need more numbers... like FP 64 performance. For our "need".

edit: ok I found it :

Code:

 FP64 (double) performance                     1,010 GFLOPS (1:16)

Around 3 time the performance or a rtx 3070 (in FP64)
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spec...-rx-6800.c3713

Mark Rose · 2020-10-28, 21:20

Still nowhere near the 3.5 TFL64OPS of the Radeon VII, sadly.

I do wonder how the Navi 10 mining GPU that showed up in recent kernel patches will do. It's Navi 10 though, so probably the same 1/16 FP64 performance.

mackerel · 2020-10-28, 22:22

The cache is the biggest "new" variable I guess. Be really interesting to see how that works out in non-gaming uses.

I think the 6800 will be positioned above 3070, if you compare their relative performance compared to the 3080 and 6800XT respectively.

moebius · 2020-10-28, 23:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rose

Still nowhere near the 3.5 TFL64OPS of the Radeon VII, sadly.

Even a Vega 64 still has 0.792 Tflops at FP64. Maybe the fast HBM2 memory is missing.

M344587487 · 2020-10-29, 00:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rose

Still nowhere near the 3.5 TFL64OPS of the Radeon VII, sadly.

Unfortunately that was never on the cards, Navi has always been about optimising for graphics performance over all else. Good DP is now the realm of CDNA2 and there's a 99% chance that CDNA2 is not the price-performance we're looking for.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rose

I do wonder how the Navi 10 mining GPU that showed up in recent kernel patches will do. It's Navi 10 though, so probably the same 1/16 FP64 performance.

Wild guess, it's the exact same as an existing card just with all the extraneous features removed and maybe a bios tuned for efficiency. It could just be a ploy to redefine and push Navi 1 as a mining generation. Navi 2 seems to be of less interest to miners as Ethereum and Monero both require random access to a 2GB file so the infinity cache is scuppered, and the raw bandwidth of Navi 2 is not much higher than Navi 1. It's been a while but last I paid attention these two (and derivatives thereof being pedantic) accounted for the vast majority of GPU mining.

preda · 2020-10-29, 01:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by M344587487

Timely compute and Linux support, unlikely.

Yep, unfortunately: the hardware is done, time to start work on the software side..
(and by that I don't mean *our* software side, I mean AMD's software side)

axn · 2020-10-29, 02:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Rose

Still nowhere near the 3.5 TFL64OPS of the Radeon VII, sadly.

This might matter less than you think, to wit...

Quote:

Originally Posted by mackerel

The cache is the biggest "new" variable I guess. Be really interesting to see how that works out in non-gaming uses.

The 128MB cache is big enough to fit our current FFTs in their entirety. This could indeed be very interesting.

tServo · 2020-10-29, 12:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by axn

This might matter less than you think, to wit...

The 128MB cache is big enough to fit our current FFTs in their entirety. This could indeed be very interesting.

It probably depends on whether that cache is able to be manipulated and configured directly by the programmer or if management of it is left to some inflexible on chip algorithm.

Mark Rose · 2020-11-09, 15:47

AMD Radeon RX 6800 1.5x faster than GeForce RTX 3090 in mining

If true, it's going to be fun finding one. I don't think it will have higher FP32 performance than the RTX 3xxx, but this bodes well for INT performance. Could be TF monster.

Mark Rose · 2020-11-11, 19:23

So the above rumour was a bust, but now there are some benchmarks: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rade...chmarks-leaked

2020-10-28, 16:59	#1
M344587487 "Composite as Heck" Oct 2017 2F9₁₆ Posts	RDNA2 / Big Navi AMD announcement: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpgu-cTjyM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAPtu06eYI tl;dr: Infinity cache - "Graphics optimised, high density, high speed cache, based on the Zen L3 cache". graph shows 2.17x bandwidth of infinity cache + 256 bit GDDR6 compared to 384 bit GDDR6 on typical gaming workloads Smart access memory - Zen3 processors can have full access to GPU memory? Showing single digit % performance increase in some games not specifically optimised for it, promises that workloads can specifically optimise for even better performance. Performance figures shown are with this feature enabled so this is one way they've fudged the numbers 6800 60 CU's 1815 MHz game clock 2105 MHz boost clock 128MB infinity cache 16GB GDDR6, 256 bit? 250W TBP November 18th $579 6800XT 72 CU's 2015 MHz game clock 2250 MHz boost clock 128MB infinity cache 16GB GDDR6 256 bit 300W TBP November 18th $649 Shown rivalling 3080 in games 6900XT 80 CU's 2015 MHz game clock 2250 MHz boost clock 128MB infinity cache 16GB GDDR6 256 bit? 300W TBP December 8th $999 Shown rivalling 3090 in games At a glance it looks promising. Infinity cache has a chance of being insanely good for our purposes but who knows. The high price is also a good sign that they're confident that they're competitive, in gaming. Timely compute and Linux support, unlikely. Last fiddled with by M344587487 on 2020-10-28 at 17:14 Reason: GN

2020-10-28, 18:05	#2
firejuggler Apr 2010 Over the rainbow 4741₈ Posts	The 6800 look like a fair competition to the RTX3070 price wise. Now we need more numbers... like FP 64 performance. For our "need". edit: ok I found it : Code: FP64 (double) performance 1,010 GFLOPS (1:16) Around 3 time the performance or a rtx 3070 (in FP64) https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-spec...-rx-6800.c3713 Last fiddled with by firejuggler on 2020-10-28 at 18:25

2020-11-11, 19:23	#11
Mark Rose "/X\(‘-‘)/X\" Jan 2013 29·101 Posts	So the above rumour was a bust, but now there are some benchmarks: https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-rade...chmarks-leaked Last fiddled with by Mark Rose on 2020-11-11 at 19:23

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