mersenneforum.org  

Go Back   mersenneforum.org > Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search > Math

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2012-05-17, 04:39   #1
devarajkandadai
 
devarajkandadai's Avatar
 
May 2004

4748 Posts
Default Conjecture

Is x = l 1 l the only solution to x^2 + 8 = 3^n ?

Devaraj
devarajkandadai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 04:42   #2
retina
Undefined
 
retina's Avatar
 
"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

11010010000002 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by devarajkandadai View Post
Is x = l 1 l the only solution to x^2 + 8 = 3^n ?
No.

x=sqrt(19), n=3: is one of an infinite numbers of solutions.
retina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-17, 22:46   #3
CRGreathouse
 
CRGreathouse's Avatar
 
Aug 2006

22×3×499 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by devarajkandadai View Post
Is x = l 1 l the only solution to x^2 + 8 = 3^n ?
Did you mean for this to be a Diophantine equation? If so, |x| = 1 are probably the only solutions, yes. Any other solutions have |x| > 10^50000.

Last fiddled with by CRGreathouse on 2012-05-17 at 22:48
CRGreathouse is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-23, 10:59   #4
devarajkandadai
 
devarajkandadai's Avatar
 
May 2004

22×79 Posts
Default conjecture

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRGreathouse View Post
Did you mean for this to be a Diophantine equation? If so, |x| = 1 are probably the only solutions, yes. Any other solutions have |x| > 10^50000.
Yes; I did mean it as a Diophantine eqn. To generalise my conjecture:

Let lxl^2 + c = a^n

Case I: If c is not equal to a nor a multiple of a.

There is only one solution.

CaseII: if c is a multiple of a there can, at most, be two solutions.

Contra examples invited.
devarajkandadai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-23, 11:29   #5
R.D. Silverman
 
R.D. Silverman's Avatar
 
"Bob Silverman"
Nov 2003
North of Boston

23·3·313 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CRGreathouse View Post
Did you mean for this to be a Diophantine equation? If so, |x| = 1 are probably the only solutions, yes. Any other solutions have |x| > 10^50000.
It is clear that there are only finitely many solutions. Perhaps
Baker's linear forms in logarithms might apply to bound them?
R.D. Silverman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-23, 12:47   #6
Gammatester
 
Gammatester's Avatar
 
Mar 2009

468 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by devarajkandadai View Post
Yes; I did mean it as a Diophantine eqn. To generalise my conjecture:

Let lxl^2 + c = a^n

Case I: If c is not equal to a nor a multiple of a.

There is only one solution.

CaseII: if c is a multiple of a there can, at most, be two solutions.

Contra examples invited.
Either you have not completely specified your generalised conjecture or there is a counter example for Case I! Take a=-2 and c=-9. Then gcd(a,c)=1 but there are at least two solutions for (x,n):

5^2 + c = a^4,
1^2 + c = a^3.
Gammatester is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-23, 15:40   #7
LaurV
Romulan Interpreter
 
LaurV's Avatar
 
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand

5×112×17 Posts
Default

Going for some pythagorean variations:

Code:
7^2 + -57 = -2^3
5^2 + -57 = -2^5
11^2 + -57 = -2^6

5^2 + -33 = -2^3
7^2 + -33 = -2^4
1^2 + -33 = -2^5
17^2 + -33 = -2^8

10^2 + -68 = 2^5
14^2 + -68 = 2^7
18^2 + -68 = 2^8
46^2 + -68 = 2^11

5^2 + -17 = 2^3
7^2 + -17 = 2^5
9^2 + -17 = 2^6
23^2 + -17 = 2^9
on the positive side:

Code:
1^2 + 7 = 2^3
3^2 + 7 = 2^4
5^2 + 7 = 2^5
11^2 + 7 = 2^7
181^2 + 7 = 2^15

2^2 + 28 = 2^5
6^2 + 28 = 2^6
10^2 + 28 = 2^7
22^2 + 28 = 2^9
362^2 + 28 = 2^17

1^2 + 15 = 4^2
7^2 + 15 = 4^3

1^2 + 63 = 4^3
31^2 + 63 = 4^5

6^2 + -11 = 5^2
56^2 + -11 = 5^5

17^2 + -73 = 6^3
37^2 + -73 = 6^4

11^2 + 95 = 6^3
529^2 + 95 = 6^7

9^2 + -17 = 8^2
23^2 + -17 = 8^3
These are only few examples when all variables forced to be under 100. I think there should be plenty solutions for given a and c (depends on a and c). And I also think this is kinda miscellaneous topic.
LaurV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-26, 06:08   #8
devarajkandadai
 
devarajkandadai's Avatar
 
May 2004

22·79 Posts
Default conjecture

I think I had already made it clear that we take only the +ve values of x.
devarajkandadai is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-26, 09:52   #9
LaurV
Romulan Interpreter
 
LaurV's Avatar
 
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand

101000001011012 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by devarajkandadai View Post
I think I had already made it clear that we take only the +ve values of x.
and... which x is not positive in my examples?

Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2012-05-26 at 09:52
LaurV is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-26, 10:15   #10
retina
Undefined
 
retina's Avatar
 
"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

26×3×5×7 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by devarajkandadai View Post
Yes; I did mean it as a Diophantine eqn. To generalise my conjecture:

Let lxl^2 + c = a^n

Case I: If c is not equal to a nor a multiple of a.

There is only one solution.

CaseII: if c is a multiple of a there can, at most, be two solutions.

Contra examples invited.
Why is my counter example not valid?

x=sqrt(19), c=8, a=3, n=3
retina is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2012-05-26, 11:54   #11
xilman
Bamboozled!
 
xilman's Avatar
 
"๐’‰บ๐’ŒŒ๐’‡ท๐’†ท๐’€ญ"
May 2003
Down not across

32×1,303 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by retina View Post
Why is my counter example not valid?

x=sqrt(19), c=8, a=3, n=3
Possibly because a Diophantine equation requires solutions over Z and x is not an element of that ring?

Last fiddled with by xilman on 2012-05-26 at 11:54
xilman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Prime conjecture Stan Math 42 2021-05-23 17:09
Goldbach Conjecture MattcAnderson MattcAnderson 4 2021-04-04 19:21
This conjecture may be useful. reddwarf2956 Prime Gap Searches 2 2016-03-01 22:41
Saari's Conjecture Zeta-Flux Science & Technology 0 2012-10-10 15:43
A New Conjecture AntonVrba Math 19 2005-07-26 12:49

All times are UTC. The time now is 23:52.


Thu Mar 30 23:52:23 UTC 2023 up 224 days, 21:20, 1 user, load averages: 1.32, 0.99, 0.85

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2023, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

This forum has received and complied with 0 (zero) government requests for information.

Permission is granted to copy, distribute and/or modify this document under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, Version 1.2 or any later version published by the Free Software Foundation.
A copy of the license is included in the FAQ.

โ‰  ยฑ โˆ“ รท ร— ยท โˆ’ โˆš โ€ฐ โŠ— โŠ• โŠ– โŠ˜ โŠ™ โ‰ค โ‰ฅ โ‰ฆ โ‰ง โ‰จ โ‰ฉ โ‰บ โ‰ป โ‰ผ โ‰ฝ โŠ โА โŠ‘ โŠ’ ยฒ ยณ ยฐ
โˆ  โˆŸ ยฐ โ‰… ~ โ€– โŸ‚ โซ›
โ‰ก โ‰œ โ‰ˆ โˆ โˆž โ‰ช โ‰ซ โŒŠโŒ‹ โŒˆโŒ‰ โˆ˜ โˆ โˆ โˆ‘ โˆง โˆจ โˆฉ โˆช โจ€ โŠ• โŠ— ๐–• ๐–– ๐–— โŠฒ โŠณ
โˆ… โˆ– โˆ โ†ฆ โ†ฃ โˆฉ โˆช โІ โŠ‚ โŠ„ โŠŠ โЇ โŠƒ โŠ… โŠ‹ โŠ– โˆˆ โˆ‰ โˆ‹ โˆŒ โ„• โ„ค โ„š โ„ โ„‚ โ„ต โ„ถ โ„ท โ„ธ ๐“Ÿ
ยฌ โˆจ โˆง โŠ• โ†’ โ† โ‡’ โ‡ โ‡” โˆ€ โˆƒ โˆ„ โˆด โˆต โŠค โŠฅ โŠข โŠจ โซค โŠฃ โ€ฆ โ‹ฏ โ‹ฎ โ‹ฐ โ‹ฑ
โˆซ โˆฌ โˆญ โˆฎ โˆฏ โˆฐ โˆ‡ โˆ† ฮด โˆ‚ โ„ฑ โ„’ โ„“
๐›ข๐›ผ ๐›ฃ๐›ฝ ๐›ค๐›พ ๐›ฅ๐›ฟ ๐›ฆ๐œ€๐œ– ๐›ง๐œ ๐›จ๐œ‚ ๐›ฉ๐œƒ๐œ— ๐›ช๐œ„ ๐›ซ๐œ… ๐›ฌ๐œ† ๐›ญ๐œ‡ ๐›ฎ๐œˆ ๐›ฏ๐œ‰ ๐›ฐ๐œŠ ๐›ฑ๐œ‹ ๐›ฒ๐œŒ ๐›ด๐œŽ๐œ ๐›ต๐œ ๐›ถ๐œ ๐›ท๐œ™๐œ‘ ๐›ธ๐œ’ ๐›น๐œ“ ๐›บ๐œ”