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Old 2019-12-11, 13:17   #672
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The description sounds like a cartel shootout south of the border.
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Old 2019-12-11, 15:12   #673
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What a mess the USA is in. They don't want to admit that guns are a problem. They just keep offering platitudes, those useless "thoughts and prayers" nonsense, as if it will make everything better.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...olice-standoff

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Just received a briefing on the horrific shootout that took place in Jersey City, NJ. Our thoughts & prayers are w/ the victims & their families during this very difficult & tragic time. We will continue to monitor the situation as we assist local & state officials on the ground.
New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy:
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I have been briefed on the unfolding situation in Jersey City. Our thoughts and prayers are with the men and women of the Jersey City Police Department, especially with the officers shot during this standoff, and with the residents and schoolchildren currently under lockdown. I have every confidence in our law enforcement professionals to ensure the safety of the community and resolve this situation. Today reminds us of their bravery and the sacrifices they, and their families, make for our communities.
New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal:
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Please keep the officers of the Jersey City Police Department in your thoughts and prayers as they work to resolve the situation," Grewal said in a statement. "We remain, as always, extraordinarily grateful for their service and their sacrifice.
U.S. Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J.:
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Closely monitoring the active shooter situation in Jersey City. For folks in the area, please continue to avoid Martin Luther King Drive for now.—it's not safe.

Grateful for the first responders who quickly arrived on the scene, and praying for the officers shot in the standoff.
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Officers have come under attack and we have several wounded. Our hearts are heavy and the violence is not over. We need prayers.
The really sad part of calling for "thoughts and prayers" is that it is essentially the same as the attitude in the wake of a natural calamity, that there was nothing anyone could have done to stop it from happening. With natural calamities, of course, this is generally true, although there are things people can -- and will -- do to prevent death, injury, and destruction from foreseeable natural disasters ("acts of God") which cannot be prevented or controlled.

Mass shootings and major gun battles, however, are intrinsically man-made calamities. Viewing them in the same way as "acts of God" seems to me to be blasphemous. Treating them as such means trying to ameliorate their effects by turning every school, church, restaurant and store into an armed camp. Checkpoints at every street corner. Video monitoring everywhere, all the time.

It seems to me that the idolatrous worship of firearms in furtherance of promoting gun sales, under the protective coloration of the Sacred Second Amendment, has created a state of affairs inimical to at least two of the legitimate aims of government enumerated in the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States:
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The description sounds like a cartel shootout south of the border.
Yes indeedy. A whole lot like.

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Old 2019-12-11, 17:57   #674
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What a mess the USA is in. They don't want to admit that guns are a problem.
Many, many people and politicians in the USoA admit that guns are a problem.
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Old 2019-12-11, 18:29   #675
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Many, many people and politicians in the USoA admit that guns are a problem.
But then they all these final words ... that they can't do anything about. Along the lines of Dr Sardonicus's previous post, people have been brainwashed into thinking that guns are some kind of necessity and that they need to invoke some imaginary being(s) to ask for help.
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Old 2019-12-20, 02:09   #676
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Old 2019-12-20, 17:48   #677
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The description sounds like a cartel shootout south of the border.
Are you referring to the word "gub" ?
Maybe it comes from a VERY early Woody Allen movie "Take The Money and Run".
He plays a hapless, incompetent loser who drifts into a life of crime.
In one scene, he goes into a bank to rob it and hands the teller a hand written note that says
"Act natural, I'm pointing a gub at you" but the teller starts arguing with about the word which
looks like "gub". Pretty soon, everyone is looking at the note with Allen and arguing with him and each other.

His punishment is prison for 10 years in solitary confinement with an insurance salesman.
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Would like to see the first two graphics also expressed in terms of guns owned/registered in those counties.

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Old 2019-12-20, 22:21   #679
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Would like to see the first two graphics also expressed in terms of guns owned/registered in those counties.
If you click on the link Read more about these maps and check out more related graphics just above the first map, you will find two links that may be pertinent:

licensed gun sellers per capita (maps)

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The link between gun deaths and gun ownership: What we know
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It's surprising how little we know about the relationship between gun deaths and gun ownership, or the ability of states to curtail one by regulating the other.
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Old 2019-12-21, 04:42   #680
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Are you referring to the word "gub" ?
Maybe it comes from a VERY early Woody Allen movie "Take The Money and Run".
He plays a hapless, incompetent loser who drifts into a life of crime.
In one scene, he goes into a bank to rob it and hands the teller a hand written note that says
"Act natural, I'm pointing a gub at you" but the teller starts arguing with about the word which
looks like "gub". Pretty soon, everyone is looking at the note with Allen and arguing with him and each other.

His punishment is prison for 10 years in solitary confinement with an insurance salesman.
I was quoting that scene. The word 'gub' is a household joke here. As in, "The guvmint is comin' to take yer gubs away!"
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Old 2019-12-28, 02:17   #681
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Aurora's Greg Zanis, known for making crosses for mass shooting victims across the country, is retiring
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Greg Zanis of Aurora, who has erected crosses for victims of mass shootings across the country, is retiring from the work that has often put him in the national spotlight.

He's made more than 27,000 crosses over the years as part of his Crosses for Losses ministry.

"I always felt this was my calling," Zanis said.

He said he believed his work "began to show a face of the victims" of shootings around America.

In the last year he's acknowledged his ministry became increasingly harder to do.

"I leave a piece of my heart behind each time I go," he told The Beacon-News last spring.

"I had a breaking point in El Paso," he said of the Aug. 3, 2019, mass shooting outside of a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas. A gunman shot and killed 22 people and injured 24 others.

"I hadn't slept for two days, it was 106 degrees and I collapsed from the pressure when I heard there were two more victims of the mass shooting," he said.

A trip earlier this month to the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Florida, became a turning point, he said. Three people were killed and eight others were injured in a shooting there.

"I got as far as Indianapolis and turned back. I decided I wasn't going to do this anymore," he said.
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Zanis has approached Lutheran Charities of Northbrook about taking over his ministry.

"I feel it is not the end of the ministry. It is the end of me doing it," he said.

He may take a year to train those interested in picking up where he left off, he said.
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Old 2019-12-29, 17:14   #682
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