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So, you passed on a false claim as fact because you considered it a waste of time to check the link you gave us, to see whether it was actually true.
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Feb 2017
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I have had people tell me that they feel they're protected because they eat healthy food, get enough sleep, and take certain dietary supplements. I generally indicate approval of taking good care of yourself, but say I think those things may not be enough to deal with this bug, and that (plus me being old) is why I got vaccinated (then boosted). In some cases, despite being sorely tempted, I have refrained from instead responding, "Have you made your will?" as probably not helpful. Last fiddled with by Dr Sardonicus on 2022-01-21 at 15:20 Reason: Add missing word |
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"TF79LL86GIMPS96gpu17"
Mar 2017
US midwest
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Originally Posted by kriesel https://mersenneforum.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
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Feb 2017
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Herd immunity seems to be the Swiss army knife of excuses for not trying to get as many people as possible vaccinated.
In days gone by, proposals such as the "Barrington Declaration" argued that we should concentrate on "protecting the most vulnerable," and just let everybody else get infected, at which point the vulnerable would be protected by "herd immunity." Now, it seems the argument is that we should give up on vaccination because vaccination alone can't achieve herd immunity. I haven't really viewed "herd immunity" as an objective, however. To me, the most compelling reason to get more shots into more arms has been to keep more of those infected with COVID out of the hospital. If the vaccination rate in the US were 80% or even 75% instead of in the low sixties, we'd be living in a different world as far as the strain on the US health care system goes. At this point, I think we can count on the vaccines providing good protection against becoming seriously ill with COVID. I am not sure how the immunity rate can even reliably be measured. The number vaccinated and/or known to have been infected and recovered would provide a lower bound. But there are plenty of people who won't get vaccinated and also won't get tested if they develop cold or flu-like symptoms. I am not aware of large-scale testing for prior infection, and I'm sure that a lot of people who won't get vaccinated and won't take a diagnostic test, won't take that test either. We may have gotten lucky with Omicron - it seems to be highly infectious and of lower virulence than previous "variants of concern." It may fulfill the function of a high vaccination rate. But the number of people requiring hospital care for Omicron is significant, and a high percentage of those people are unvaccinated. And if we are very very lucky, Omicron may relegate COVID to a status similar to that of the common cold. But I wouldn't count on it. |
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If I May
"Chris Halsall"
Sep 2002
Barbados
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Personally, I (and most I know) go with the empirical. Empirically, not everyone does (including some friends of mine who are otherwise absolutely logical in their world-views)... One tiny pedantic point though... I would argue CV should not be referred to as a "Bug". Bug suggests something alive. It can be argued viruses aren't actually alive, but simply leverage on higher levels of biology to do the work for them. Basically, a clever hack; manifesting out of the chaos "in the wild". |
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Apr 2003
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So far, I haven't found any independent verification of TMZ's claim about the cause of death. Last fiddled with by Dr Sardonicus on 2022-01-22 at 16:19 Reason: As indicated |
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"Mark"
Apr 2003
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Right, against the vaccine mandate, but nothing says he was anti-vax, although he was not vaccinated based upon what I have read.
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Feb 2017
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Orange County Medical Director Dr. Raul Pino put on leave for encouraging Orange County Department of Health employees to get vaccinated
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Feb 2017
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From: Florida Department of Health
To: All Hospital Administrators, Chief Medical Officers, and Chiefs of Surgery Subject: Mask mandates It has come to our attention that you have policies in place mandating that surgeons wear masks while operating. Further, doctors may be required to wear masks while on their rounds. It has also come to our attention that before operating, surgeons are required to scrub their hands, and even further up their arms; and to wear not only masks, but gloves and gowns while operating. YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED: These mandates must be suspended forthwith. Hospitals found to be in violation of this order will be closed immediately. Hospital Administrators, et al will also be investigated for possible violations of law. It should not be necessary to point out that washing hands, wearing gloves, and donning masks or gowns are matters of personal choice. Requiring them with work rules or other forms of coercion is Medical Tyranny, and therefore unacceptable. |
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"๐บ๐๐ท๐ท๐ญ"
May 2003
Down not across
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