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View Poll Results: How much will the winning bid be? (Think "The Price is Right"!)
Less than $10 2 7.41%
Less than $50 3 11.11%
Less than $100 8 29.63%
Less than $500 8 29.63%
Less than $1,000 6 22.22%
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Old 2020-06-07, 19:13   #23
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Thanks for the clarification. I'm guessing the winning bid will be $220 - one dollar for each 5000 GHz-days of credit.
Using local Electricity rates where I live in Canada (which are quite cheap)
I find that each CPU and each GPU uses about $20 to $30 per month of electricity here.
I'm using $20 below.

My 2080Ti GPU doing TF: 4,500 per day; 8 months; $160
My 980 GPU doing TF; 560 per day; 65 months; $1,300
My i7-7820X CPU doing LL/DC: 100 per day; 367 months; $7,333
My i5-2500 CPU doing LL/DC; 25 per day; 1,467 months; $29,333
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Old 2020-06-07, 20:22   #24
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Seems to make a mockery of credit system IMO.

Don't do any actual work, just buy your way in?
Mike/Xyzzy, I have a suggestion: edit post #1 to promise that the proceeds will be used for the M-forum webhosting-and-maintenance fund. That would help to at least mitigate the above concerns. "It's still ridiculous to buy someone else's work credit, but the money is going to a good cause".
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Old 2020-06-07, 20:34   #25
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Please don't be put off voting. The actual bidding is done by private message to Xyzzy.
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Old 2020-06-08, 01:30   #26
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Shouldn't the poll say 'More than $x' instead of 'less than $x'.

Less than $1000 includes all the options?
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Old 2020-06-08, 01:33   #27
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Shouldn't the poll say 'More than $x' instead of 'less than $x'.

Less than $1000 includes all the options?
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It is supposed to work like "The Price is Right".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Price_Is_Right#Format

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Old 2020-06-08, 05:55   #28
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And can we specify what type(s) of credit? First time, DC P-1, etc?
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No, the credits have already been earned
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If it is ECM credits it is not worth much. Even without hacking or cheating you can just run some curves with super high B2 with GMPECM and turn them in.

I suspect you can do the same for P-1? But I do not know for sure.
See attached; it's almost entirely (96%) TF work.
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Old 2020-06-08, 09:22   #29
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I didn't read the posts in the thread (except few on the first page), but I will.

I voted the last option, as it includes all the other
(i.e. if any other is right, then the subsequent are right too, as the sum increases, and the poll says "less then", but not "between..."

Joking apart, I would agree with this poll, and bid for it too (with the sum I consider worth) with one condition: the work has to be done starting from now, physically (and verifiable, i.e. I could check the history and see how the "donor" made the credit). Not like George or any gods there just modify my credit score to inflate it and/or/xor deflate the donor's one, with no physical work done. I mean, I don't give a sh!p about credits (in spite of some guys here calling me a credit whore in the past, and me acting towards getting a fame of it ) and neither care much about donations towards the forum or gimps, but real progress in testing, eventually finding new primes, PRPs, large factors, well, that has some appeal to me...

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Old 2020-06-09, 05:41   #30
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Ok. We are going nuts, replying to ourselves... We read the thread. Past read.
i.e. Al-read-y.

We understood what "the price is right" means. We always avoided those shows, never wasted the time to watch them, with only one exception.

But we won't bid for the credit..

The work is already done, so it won't benefit Gimps or the forum in any way if the credit moves from one user to the other. Except for the donation, but if any of you want to donate something to either Gimps or the forum, then just donate something to Gimps, or the forum. In these difficult times where people stay home, social blah blah, no jobs, etc., it would be even more appreciated. This of course, only if you really can afford it, and really want to do so.

But if you want me to bid for credit, we started on the wrong foot. Let's start again, from scratch. You do 200THz days of LL work for me, starting from now, and I give you US$250. It could be partially P-1 too, but not more than 30%. Other type of work (TF, DC, PRP, ECM, etc) not accepted.

Any takers?

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Old 2020-06-09, 05:48   #31
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You do 200THz days of LL work for me, starting from now, and I give you US$250. It could be partially P-1 too, but not more than 30%. Other type of work (TF, DC, PRP, ECM, etc) not accepted.
Let's put that into perspective.

For 200,000 GHzDays, approximately 1/5 of the 1.1M GHzDays, you will pay USD250. Which means you view the 1.1M GHzDays as worth USD1375.
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Old 2020-06-09, 08:25   #32
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Yes, your calculus is right, except that my price won't scale.

People here were talking about $230 to produce the mega-giga, so that's where I took my price from, without any computation, logic, bargain, etc**. (I just accepted it so) except that I reduced the amount to a fifth (200k G), as that would be (roughly) what would propel me into the hundred percentiles .

But I won't buy half of it, neither 5 times of it, for proportional scaled price.


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**I don't think I made it "easier" by reducing it to 1/5, I think it is "harder" due to the fact that I banned work types that produce lots of credits (TF, ECM, etc). That means (in my opinion) 200G of "pure" LL or P-1 is harder than 1.1T of "general credit".

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Old 2020-06-09, 20:21   #33
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Let's put that into perspective.

For 200,000 GHzDays, approximately 1/5 of the 1.1M GHzDays, you will pay USD250. Which means you view the 1.1M GHzDays as worth USD1375.
Let's put that into perspective. Running PRP on a Radeon VII, the best FLOPS/Watt-hour setup for GIMPS at present, you need ~5kWh per day to generate 500 GHzDays of GIMPS credit, thus 10kWh per 1000 GHzDays. Using the pricy power, um, prices for my local corrupt private-masquerading-as-public-utility, PG&E, rate is ~$0.25/kWh, thus $2.50 per 1000 GHzDays, thus the power cost - neglecting equipment cost - of LaurV's 200,000 GHzDays would be ~$500.

Thus LaurV's offer would only reach breakeven for somone using such best-of-breed hardware and living somewhere where electricity costs ~$0.10/kWh or less.
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