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Einyen

Dec 2003
Denmark

27·23 Posts Quote:
 Originally Posted by a1call I am well aware of converging sums of some infinite series
Why can an infinite series then not have a converging sum below 1 ?

Consider an infinite number of events. The first event have 0.1 or 10% chance of success, 2nd one have 0.01 or 1% chance of success, 3rd one have 0.001 or 0.1% chance of success and so on. Can we agree that the combined chance of any success is 0.11111111..... which is 11.111111....% chance?

The chance of Fermat primes falls much faster than a factor of 10 each time, so the combined sum will be much smaller than 0.1111111....   2018-07-22, 21:06 #35 a1call   "Rashid Naimi" Oct 2015 Remote to Here/There 2×13×73 Posts I just don't think any probabilities other than 0 and 1 make any sense in infinite trials. Think about it what would be the probability of success in infinite trials if the sum of probabilities of individual finite ranges added to a number greater than 1. Surely the probability could not be greater than 1. A fractional probability in infinite trials is as non-sense as a probability of greater than 1 or greater than 100%.   2018-07-22, 21:57   #36
CRGreathouse

Aug 2006

3×52×79 Posts Quote:
 Originally Posted by a1call I think it is common mathematical sense that as long the probability is greater than 0 in any given range then the probability is 1 in infinitum.
No. If the probability was constant and greater than 0 that result would obtain, but without that condition you don't get the result. Imagine you buy a mega-millions lottery ticket on day 1, two on day 2, three on day 3, and so on. What are the chances that on some day all of your tickets will win? Very low indeed! In fact, nearly the entire chance rests on the chance that you win on day one, because the chance of winning with 2 out of 2 tickets is tiny and it just gets worse from there, and even going out to infinity doesn't help (as can be shown with some calculus).

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VBCurtis

"Curtis"
Feb 2005
Riverside, CA

52·173 Posts Quote:
 Originally Posted by a1call I just don't think any probabilities other than 0 and 1 make any sense in infinite trials. Think about it what would be the probability of success in infinite trials if the sum of probabilities of individual finite ranges added to a number greater than 1. Surely the probability could not be greater than 1. A fractional probability in infinite trials is as non-sense as a probability of greater than 1 or greater than 100%.   2018-07-22, 22:09 #38 a1call   "Rashid Naimi" Oct 2015 Remote to Here/There 2×13×73 Posts Perhaps this would be a more relevant example. Suppose the probability of success at each of n trials is: (19/20)^n So each trial has a probability of success that is greater than 0 and more importantly less than 1. The sum of infinite series 19/20+(19/20)^2+....=19 What is the probability of success in 19 trials? What is the probability of success in infinite trials? 100% or 1900%? Last fiddled with by a1call on 2018-07-22 at 22:11   Thread Tools Show Printable Version Email this Page Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post Explorer09 Software 2 2017-03-09 08:17 jasong jasong 21 2016-05-28 09:59 cheesehead Software 14 2013-05-16 00:45 cheesehead Lounge 20 2009-06-05 20:24 Fusion_power Miscellaneous Math 13 2005-10-24 17:58

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