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Old 2014-05-12, 17:49   #144
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OK... We're now about 12 hours into the Primenet server being effectively dead.

Might the "powers that be" reboot (once again) the Primenet server to mask the fundamental issues involved with using M$ crapware?
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Old 2014-05-12, 18:38   #145
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OK... We're now about 12 hours into the Primenet server being effectively dead.
Enterprise to ground control. Do you read us? Ground control, do you read us? Are you there ground control?

Houston, we might have a problem....
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Old 2014-05-12, 19:06   #146
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Server restarted
George. What is the issue?
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Old 2014-05-12, 20:04   #147
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George. What is the issue?
OK, it appears Primenet is now sane again (I assume after a reboot of the M$ IIServer and/or the M$ SQL Server).

But I have to put on the table...

Since it has been well documented that these services need rebooting regularly, might it not make sense to automatically reboot these services once a week or so? Rather than waiting for users' to complain, and for you to notice and do the work manually?

Just saying... And as the saying goes, never send a human to do a machine's job...

P.S. I do expect and hope that Primenet is using RAID....
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Old 2014-05-12, 21:40   #148
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P.S. I do expect and hope that Primenet is using RAID....
George...

I asked you this question quite some time ago. You have yet to answer.

Is Primenet appropriately backed up and redundant? Or do we risk another "oh my goodness, we've had a catastrophic failure" moment?

Edit: Oh, and she appears to be dead again....

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Old 2014-05-12, 22:14   #149
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The server does have RAID, and Scott has automated backups to other media. I can't tell you more about how often as I've forgotten the details.

I've just moved to the N.C. mountains for the Summer and just got cable installed. Until the firewall rules are updated at mersenne.org, I can't access the server. James and Scott are the only ones that can reboot right now.

If James doesn't respond soon, I'll send an email to Scott. He doesn't read this forum regularly.
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Old 2014-05-12, 22:19   #150
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James and Scott are the only ones that can reboot right now.
I have either forgotten or don't remember how to access the server for the purposes of rebooting. If I see such requests I have been leaving them for George (and/or Scott).
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Old 2014-05-12, 22:47   #151
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Since it has been well documented that these services need rebooting regularly, might it not make sense to automatically reboot these services once a week or so? Rather than waiting for users' to complain, and for you to notice and do the work manually?
Or (and I'm just throwing it out there for completeness' sake) fix whatever the issue is that causes the services to need restarting (up to and including using different services if need be)?
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Old 2014-05-12, 22:57   #152
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I don't think there has ever been what one might call a "catastrophic" loss in the sense of irretrievable loss of data, in the 18-year history of the project. Even during the infamous October 2008 crash, the main issue seemed to be the early forced upgrade to v5, rather than loss of any data.

As (career) computer scientists as well as mathematicians, I am sure that George and Scott are quite capable of managing the server and have taken the appropriate steps to secure the integrity of our project's database. For a volunteer project largely built on 6-10+ year-old infrastructure, I am impressed by the sparsity of system outages, to be honest.

A question that may be worth asking: When might it be worthwhile for us participants to start chipping in towards a new server, a rented server, or even cloud services for this project to which we all enjoy contributing and wish to see flourish for years to come?
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Old 2014-05-12, 23:12   #153
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Old 2014-05-12, 23:27   #154
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The firewall has been updated and I've rebooted.
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