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Old 2022-04-18, 20:17   #870
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California store owner charged in errant shooting of girl
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SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (AP) - A co-owner of a Southern California shoe store who allegedly wounded a 9-year-old girl while shooting at shoplifters has been charged with assault with a firearm, authorities said Monday.

Marquel Michael James Cockrell, 20, was scheduled for a San Bernardino County Superior Court video arraignment in Rancho Cucamonga, a prosecution press release said.
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The shooting occurred April 12 at the Mall of Victor Valley in the high desert city of Victorville.

Cockrell chased two shoplifters and fired shots that "instead hit the 9-year-old female victim," Victorville police said in a statement.

The girl, Ava Chruniak, suffered three gunshot wounds, including two in an arm, said her grandmother, Robin Moraga-Saldarelli. One of the bullets fractured an arm bone.

Police said Cockrell fled and was later arrested in Nevada's Clark County. He was subsequently extradited and held in custody in California, the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office said.
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Old 2022-04-20, 09:45   #871
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About the second part, I wish you that you never be in the situation to find out!
I am genuinely interested in finding out your take on this situation.

It is possible, though unlikely in my opinion, that I may be threatened by a spoon-wielding maniac 20 metres away and would like to know how to defend myself should the situation arise.

My first instinct would be to run away, but I do not run very fast and would likely be outpaced, hence my request for additional advice.
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Old 2022-04-20, 09:51   #872
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My first instinct would be to run away, but I do not run very fast and would likely be outpaced ...
You only have to run faster than someone else in the line of attack. So always volunteer to help little old ladies cross the road.
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Old 2022-04-20, 13:23   #873
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...hence my request for additional advice.
There is no spoon.
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Old 2022-04-20, 13:59   #874
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I am genuinely interested in finding out your take on this situation.

It is possible, though unlikely in my opinion, that I may be threatened by a spoon-wielding maniac 20 metres away and would like to know how to defend myself should the situation arise.

My first instinct would be to run away, but I do not run very fast and would likely be outpaced, hence my request for additional advice.
If you have a gun, you can simply shoot the maniac. [Recall the scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark when Indiana Jones faced a big man with a big scimitar]. You don't have to shoot to kill, of course. Here in the good ol' USA, acting in self-defense means you "reasonably believe" that you are, or someone else is, in imminent danger of death or serious injury from the would-be attacker.

There was a skit on Monty Python's Flying Circus about attacks by fresh fruit. The methods included pulling a lever to drop a 16-ton weight on the attacker, and releasing tigers.
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Old 2022-04-20, 14:10   #875
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If you have a gun, you can simply shoot the maniac.
Which maniacs? The ones with the guns?

But officer, I felt I was in mortal danger. He had a spoon!
Sir, you do realise this is a restaurant, right?
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Old 2022-04-20, 15:25   #876
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You only have to run faster than someone else in the line of attack. So always volunteer to help little old ladies cross the road.
Not always true.

It may be that the spooner is intent on attacking only me and will ignore everyone else.
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Old 2022-04-20, 15:53   #877
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Here in the good ol' USA, acting in self-defense means you "reasonably believe" that you are, or someone else is, in imminent danger of death or serious injury from the would-be attacker.
If you are white.
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If you are white.
Which reminds me of this episode from The Moth podcast: https://themoth.org/radio-hour/under-the-gun-1
Particularly the last of the 3 stories.
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Old 2022-04-20, 16:48   #879
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It is possible, though unlikely in my opinion, that I may be threatened by a spoon-wielding maniac 20 metres away and would like to know how to defend myself should the situation arise.
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In that case this case study is invaluable:





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
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Old 2022-04-20, 17:06   #880
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It is possible, though unlikely in my opinion, that I may be threatened by a spoon-wielding maniac 20 metres away and would like to know how to defend myself should the situation arise.
Use the fork, Luke. Trust in the fork.
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