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2018-05-26, 14:29   #2839
retina
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"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

136008 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ATH If they expire it will be automatically disabled for 120 days
When some impatient person poaches it, is that considered the same as expiring?

2018-05-26, 15:48   #2840
Serpentine Vermin Jar

Jul 2014

2·5·7·47 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina When some impatient person poaches it, is that considered the same as expiring?
I'm not sure. What I can tell is that based on the current data, those exponents are progressing at 1.1 - 1.6% per day. All will expire long before being finished, based on those projections.

As mentioned, those last 4 (now 3) have stalled at 0% progress per day for the last couple weeks, since 2018-05-07:
43921463 stalled at 54.9%
43962551 stalled at 36.5%
43967279 stalled at 41.3%

When operating normally and actually making progress, they're capable of doing 8% per day, but these weeks at a time of not doing anything are weird. And I do vaguely recall other exponents assigned to him doing the same thing, but my memory is fuzzy on the details.

2018-05-27, 21:31   #2841
lycorn

Sep 2002
Oeiras, Portugal

5×172 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by ATH At the idea and request of rudy235 I made the script summing the columns run automatically and made it create this report, maybe people will find it useful: http://hoegge.dk/mersenne/GIMPSstats.html .
iI just stumbled upon this post of yours.
Interesting report, thanks for sharing.

2018-05-27, 22:15   #2842
rudy235

Jun 2015
Vallejo, CA/.

11110010102 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina When some impatient person poaches it, is that considered the same as expiring?

Both of these exponents now appear as expired.

Code:

Assigned	User	Work Type	Stage	         % Done	Updated	        Expired
2018-04-12	Bill Staffen	LL double-check	LL	56.0 % 	2018-05-25	2018-05-25
2018-04-12	Bill Staffen	LL double-check	LL	54.9 % 	2018-05-25	2018-05-27

Last fiddled with by rudy235 on 2018-05-27 at 22:21

2018-05-28, 01:11   #2843
retina
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"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

27×47 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by rudy235 Both of these exponents now appear as expired. Code:  Assigned User Work Type Stage % Done Updated Expired 2018-04-12 Bill Staffen LL double-check LL 56.0 % 2018-05-25 2018-05-25 2018-04-12 Bill Staffen LL double-check LL 54.9 % 2018-05-25 2018-05-27
Oh. So someone else can expire your tests early and make you lose your status?

2018-05-28, 02:59   #2844
ATH
Einyen

Dec 2003
Denmark

7·431 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Madpoo I've got them on my radar... and yeah, if I'm not mistaken, this isn't the first time this user has had this happen. Like I said, it's fine usually, but I have a harder time with it when they're category 0 assignments especially. The category zero and one threshold rules say:
These 4 in question are in category 1, if you look at the thresholds on April 12th and 17th when they were assigned:

https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/?dt=2018-04-12
Category 0 First 200 assignments Exponents below 43887714

https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/?dt=2018-04-17
Category 0 First 200 assignments Exponents below 43923288

Last fiddled with by ATH on 2018-05-28 at 03:00

2018-06-02, 01:17   #2845
retina
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"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

27·47 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by rudy235 Both of these exponents now appear as expired. Code:  Assigned User Work Type Stage % Done Updated Expired 2018-04-12 Bill Staffen LL double-check LL 56.0 % 2018-05-25 2018-05-25 2018-04-12 Bill Staffen LL double-check LL 54.9 % 2018-05-25 2018-05-27
And they are still updating.

So MadPoo poached them before expiry, caused the original user to get an "expired" penalty on their record, and wasted compute resources for an unneeded triple check. The impatience in that one is strong.

2018-06-02, 02:37   #2846
GP2

Sep 2003

32·7·41 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina And they are still updating. So MadPoo poached them before expiry, caused the original user to get an "expired" penalty on their record, and wasted compute resources for an unneeded triple check. The impatience in that one is strong.
Nothing unusual about the way this was handled.

https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/

Category 0

Must be completed in 30 days

Assignments are recycled if assignment is not started with 10 days or when assignment is more than 30 days old.

Entirely legit, and if Madpoo didn't snipe it someone else would have.

2018-06-02, 05:11   #2847
retina
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"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair

601610 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by GP2 Nothing unusual about the way this was handled. https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/ Category 0 Must be completed in 30 days Assignments are recycled if assignment is not started with 10 days or when assignment is more than 30 days old. Entirely legit, and if Madpoo didn't snipe it someone else would have.
The assignment had not expired. The page showed it had more than two weeks remaining till expiry. From what I understand it wasn't assigned as cat-0. So the user was promised some time to finish it. The user was still within the time. And later someone/something decides that the expiry date was not sufficient and it gets finished by someone else. At least that it my understanding. I'm sorry if I got some facts wrong, but it feels wrong that a promise is given and then revoked later.

2018-06-02, 06:36   #2848
rudy235

Jun 2015
Vallejo, CA/.

97010 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina At least that it my understanding. I'm sorry if I got some facts wrong, but it feels wrong that a promise is given and then revoked later.
I do not see it that way. i believe thar Madpoo has been restrained.

He probably has already the residue for 43967279 calculated but he is waiting for the original assignee to conclude his process.

At this point it looks likely that it will conclude and there is no indication that Madpoo is going to go ahead with his results, if that were the case.

Last fiddled with by rudy235 on 2018-06-02 at 07:09 Reason: spelling mistake

2018-06-02, 07:40   #2849
ATH
Einyen

Dec 2003
Denmark

7·431 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by GP2 Nothing unusual about the way this was handled. https://www.mersenne.org/thresholds/ Category 0 Must be completed in 30 days Assignments are recycled if assignment is not started with 10 days or when assignment is more than 30 days old. Entirely legit, and if Madpoo didn't snipe it someone else would have.

They were actually Category 1, you have to look at the threshold levels on the day they were assigned, they do not change category as time goes on. See my post 2 posts before yours.

Last fiddled with by ATH on 2018-06-02 at 07:40

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