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Old 2020-08-02, 15:41   #1
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The folks who want to replace those evil violent police with gentle empathetic courageous social workers may want to consider that more social workers than police have been arrested for participation in the mob violence committed against a WI state senator for the heinous political crime of taking a photo of a "mostly peaceful" protest in progress, resulting in hospitalization of and surgery required for the senator outnumbered 8-10 to 1 by his active attackers in his own estimation. Which implies several more yet to identify and arrest.
https://www.channel3000.com/school-s...state-senator/
While the senator is hopeful of a full recovery, that may be unduly optimistic. " In approximately 15% of people, symptoms may persist for years or be permanent. If symptoms are not resolved by one year, they are likely to be permanent, though improvements may occur after even two or three years"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome
It also seems the sort of experience that might lead to PTSD. https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20355967

If this post in the estimation of a moderator fits better in a different thread, please relocate it. I did search a while looking for a well suited thread.

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Old 2020-08-02, 23:52   #2
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Wait, so you are saying cops aren't arresting other cops?!?!
I am shocked! Shocked I say!


Do you remember when the police departments had part of their duties taken away in the past?
In many towns and cities the police ran the ambulances. Even when the data showed that the newly trained paramedic staff saved lives, police officers fought against the change. They even threatened arrest of paramedics that were trying to save people from the bungling "help" from the man.
Oh, and the fact that the paramedics were young black men and women didn't sit well with the cops either.
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Old 2020-08-05, 14:33   #3
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Video of the disturbance inside a restaurant, that led to an arrest and subsequent protest and violence committed against the senator. Some of the audio is unintelligible. When he gives his name is clear. As if he is trying to get arrested. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSgI...ature=youtu.be Restaurant occupants reportedly understood the megaphone user's speech and carrying a bat as threats of violence.

Footage of the subsequent arrest, including resisting arrest and an escape attempt. NSFW language. https://www.facebook.com/10000336994...77427369046233

The preceding links are from the NY Times article https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/u...r-protest.html

The first two attackers were identified by the video the senator took. Approximately eight of the senator's attackers are still at large and apparently unidentified. "Anyone who has information about who attacked Carpenter is asked to call Madison Area Crime Stoppers at 608-266-6014." https://www.nbc15.com/2020/06/25/mpd...state-senator/

"Devonere Johnson, also known as Yeshua Musa, was charged with extortion in U.S. District Court in Madison for allegedly demanding money and free food and drinks in exchange for sparing Downtown businesses from vandalism." https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/c...19e1104a8.html

He has a prior conviction for theft of movable property, numerous dismissed charges as result of plea agreements, and numerous lesser offenses.
From the latest incident,

Count no.Statute Description Severity

1 943.30(1) Threats to Injure/Accuse of Crime Felony H
2 947.01(1) Disorderly Conduct Misd. B
3 946.41(1) Resisting or Obstructing an Officer Misd. A
4 946.42(3)(a) Escape-Criminal Arrest Felony H

Regarding the history of the toppled statues and what they were intended to represent:
https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/c...96d7bbee4.html

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Old 2020-08-05, 15:57   #4
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Wisconsin used to be a fairly progressive state. Unfortunately gerrymandering by the Republicans has made the state more regressive than progressive due to the exceptional amount of power they hold in the legislature and senate. Until they are out of power, we should change the state motto to "Backward".
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Old 2020-08-05, 18:43   #5
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Time for music (Uprising by Muse).


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Old 2020-09-06, 16:25   #6
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I don't see anything saying the social unrest has to be in the USA, so...

Things do not seem to be going well for Alexander Lukashenko, winner of the recent blatantly fraudulent presidential election in Belarus. People have been marching in the streets demanding his resignation ever since. The other day, the Interior Ministry's web site was hacked, and the names of President Lukashenko and Interior Minister Yuriy Karaev were added to the list of wanted criminals, as being suspected of "war crimes." The site was blocked soon after the hack.

Meanwhile, Russia's president Putin is offering military "assistance" in accord with a security pact, in case Lukashenko needs help waging war on his own people. Putin is also warning other foreign nations against "meddling" in Belarus affairs (perhaps based on the Monroesky Doctrine), and accusing NATO of deploying military assets near the border.
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The United States is teetering on the brink of full-scale, white supremacist–fueled authoritarianism. In this context, it’s unfathomable that one of the nation’s leading papers could write a piece about right-wing paramilitary violence and reduce it to “scuffling” without any larger meaning or effect.
Instead of raising the alarm, the Washington Post all but shrugs its conclusion in this article:
With so many people showing up armed, including growing numbers of left-wing ­social-justice activists, police are warning people that they need to understand the risks associated with modern-day protests and political activity.
And just like that, the possibility of democratic protest—the engine of social and economic equality throughout history—is treated like some luxury extreme sport, where you need to consider carefully whether or not to participate. And if you get hurt, it’s your own fault.
Democracy is indeed dying in the dark. And it’s the Washington Post that turned off the lights.
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Old 2020-09-08, 13:36   #8
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I have noticed for years that media outlets have routinely failed to distinguish between the kind of "protest" exercising "the right of the people peaceably to assemble" , and "protests" featuring vandalism, arson, looting and assault committed by "protesters." I don't know whether this is due to laziness and incompetence, or is purposive. I do know that there are many people who fail to distinguish between those exercising their First Amendment rights as part of the "Black Lives Matter" movement, and the troublemakers who follow in their wake or even show up for their own parties, as occurred about a month ago on Chicago's "Magnificent Mile."

Republicans have been deliberately lumping those protesting social injustice with Communists and rioters for decades. I vaguely recalled a long-ago TV campaign ad against Adlai Stevenson, which featured scenes of crowds of protesters waving red banners (symbol of Communism) interspersed with a picture of the headline of a newspaper article, Stevenson lauds peaceful protest. I remembered that the ad drew a lot of flak and was soon pulled. I couldn't remember what campaign it was. Googling has filled in some of the blanks in my vague recollection. It was during the campaign for the 1970 special election to fill the unexpired term of Senator Everett Dirksen.

I sometimes wonder how much of the violence associated with BLM is due to agents provocateurs sent by the R's. I wouldn't put much past them. I remember reading that when George Wallace was shot during the 1972 Presidential campaign, Nixon campaign operatives tried to plant McGovern campaign flyers in the suspect's apartment (they sent Secret Service agents IIRC), but the plan was thwarted because the FBI had already sealed off the apartment.

The current R campaign has been beating the drums about "Socialism" for months, and has been pushing the idea that those protesting social injustice are "thugs." The longstanding lack of distinction in media accounts I mentioned earlier has, no doubt, lent some "truthiness" to the idea.

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I have noticed for years that media outlets have ...
I seem to remember the left glorifying the violence and applauding people doing looting. Many blm supporters openly supported the non peaceful approach. The point is, gatekeeping people in these ways is not possible, that's not how one gains followers; people may have multiple support directions. Plus a different interprettaion of equality. And we cannot just imply the "No true Scotman" when we see something which doesn't follow the idolized way.
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I seem to remember the left glorifying the violence and applauding people doing looting. Many blm supporters openly supported the non peaceful approach. The point is, gatekeeping people in these ways is not possible, that's not how one gains followers; people may have multiple support directions. Plus a different interprettaion of equality. And we cannot just imply the "No true Scotman" when we see something which doesn't follow the idolized way.
Would you care to substantiate your allegations? How about some links? It is easy to libel ill-defined groups, especially in vague terms. Give us some support for your claims.

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I seem to remember the left glorifying the violence and applauding people doing looting. Many blm supporters openly supported the non peaceful approach. The point is, gatekeeping people in these ways is not possible, that's not how one gains followers; people may have multiple support directions. Plus a different interprettaion of equality. And we cannot just imply the "No true Scotman" when we see something which doesn't follow the idolized way.
Would you care to substantiate your allegations? How about some links? It is easy to libel ill-defined groups, especially in vague terms. Give us some support for your claims.
I had a vague recollection about some such statement after the looting in Chicago about a month ago. Google, Google, toil and trouble...

From a Chicago Tribune column:

Column: Reparations are about economic stability, not a looted pair of $120 Nikes
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The union between Black Lives Matter and mainstream America has been tenuous from the start. Last week, it may have been irreparably severed.

Hours after a horde of people descended on the Loop to pillage expensive handbags, jewelry, clothes and other items from mostly high-end stores, BLM Chicago held a solidarity rally outside the police station to support those who had been arrested.

The small group of demonstrators, mostly African American and white young adults, carried a banner that said, "Our Futures Have Been Looted From Us … LOOT BACK."
That was bad enough. Then Ariel Atkins, a BLM Chicago organizer, spoke.

"I don't care if somebody decides to loot a Gucci or a Macy's or a Nike store because that makes sure that person eats. That makes sure that person has clothes. That is reparations. Anything they want to take, take it because these businesses have insurance."
Snopes verified the accuracy of the quote with WMAQ-TV which reported it, and gave a link to a subsequent interview in which she said essentially the same thing.

Did a BLM Organizer Say, 'I Don't Care If Someone Decides to Loot'?
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That was an accurate quote, according to Chicago NBC affiliate WMAQ-TV, who reported on the Aug. 10 event:After the police shooting of 20-year-old Latrell Allen in Chicago's Englewood community on the afternoon of Aug. 9, 2020, unrest in that city extended through that night and into the early morning hours of the following day, with looters hitting some stores in Chicago's wealthiest shopping district on North Michigan Avenue.

The following evening, members of the Black Lives Matter (BLM) movement held a solidarity rally in that city with some of the people who had been arrested for looting the night before. Shortly after those events, social media users began circulating a meme stemming from that event, quoting a "BLM leader & organizer" named Ariel Atkins as saying, "I don't care if someone decides to loot, because that makes sure that person eats or has clothes. Anything they want to take, they can, because these businesses have insurance":

That was an accurate quote, according to Chicago NBC affiliate WMAQ-TV, who reported on the Aug. 10 event:
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Atkins said essentially the same thing a few days later, when she was interviewed by Chicago NPR station WBEZ on the subject of "why she supports looting":

A lot of people are really attacking our pages. They're like, 'Oh, you support the looters.' And yeah, we do, 100%. That's reparations. And like however people choose to protest, especially if it was definitely in line with what happened with the shooting, which would be powerful to see people reacting … without organizers just being like, 'We're angry and this is what we're gonna do. We're gonna take the power back.'

I feel like these stores, these Macy's, these Guccis, the PNC Banks, they're not here for us. The city puts way more money and investment into spending time and protecting their spaces and making sure that they exist. And yet our people are constantly being pushed out of the city … Unemployment is incredibly high, like we are in an incredible situation, and the fact that anybody gives a s*** about these businesses over what is happening in this city right now and the pain that people are in and the suffering that is taking place, I don't care. I will support the looters 'till the end of the day. If that's what they need to do in order to eat, then that's what you've got to do to eat …. The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway, because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist B.S. So it's like her deciding what is criminal and what isn't.
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