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 2012-02-04, 20:05 #529 Dubslow Basketry That Evening!     "Bunslow the Bold" Jun 2011 40
 2012-02-06, 20:12 #530 chalsall If I May     "Chris Halsall" Sep 2002 Barbados 246E16 Posts Alan Turing has been denied a posthumous pardon for the crime of gross indecency (read: being gay) by the British House of Lords because "A posthumous pardon was not considered appropriate as Alan Turing was properly convicted of what at the time was a criminal offence. He would have known that his offence was against the law and that he would be prosecuted. Would Alan Turing be prosecuted today? Did not the Vatican effectively posthumously apologize to Galileo? This is just (fsck'ing) stupid!
 2012-02-06, 21:53 #531 fivemack (loop (#_fork))     Feb 2006 Cambridge, England 6,323 Posts The Vatican apologised posthumously to Galileo in 2000 only as part of a general apology for the mistakes committed by Catholics in the preceding two millennia. Gordon Brown apologised posthumously and very specifically to Turing more than two years ago. But a pardon would be a different sort of gesture; Britain does not have things like the US presidential pardon, they're much less routine than that, and they're pretty much only for miscarriages of justice: that is, for people actually innocent of what they've been convicted of. So it would have been really enormously out of the ordinary to pardon Turing, even though the thing he was unquestionably guilty of is no longer considered a crime.
2012-02-06, 22:53   #532
chalsall
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by fivemack Britain does not have things like the US presidential pardon, they're much less routine than that, and they're pretty much only for miscarriages of justice: that is, for people actually innocent of what they've been convicted of. So it would have been really enormously out of the ordinary to pardon Turing, even though the thing he was unquestionably guilty of is no longer considered a crime.
Miscarriage of justice...

One of the greatest thinkers in the last century, and argubly instrumental in the winning of WWII, was injected with drugs by the "state" to cause "chemical castration". As an aside, he was also stripped of all access to his work, and his security clearances.

As a result he could no longer continue his work, grew breasts, and killed himself within two years.

No... No miscarriage of justice there...

It was all *exactly* by the book, so no need for a pardon....

 2012-02-07, 00:12 #533 ccorn     Apr 2010 100101002 Posts Elsevier Researchers boycotting Elsevier, demanding a policy change towards easier access: The Economist: Scientific publishing: The price of information Found at Fefe's blog where you also find links to a top ten subscription prices list and to the campaign site.
2012-02-07, 10:32   #534
xilman
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by chalsall No... No miscarriage of justice there... It was all *exactly* by the book, so no need for a pardon....

2012-02-07, 10:50   #535
retina
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Jun 2006
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by xilman ... ironic tone.
Maybe you mean "sarcastic tone"?

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2012-02-07, 13:06   #536
xilman
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Quote:
 Originally Posted by retina Maybe you mean "sarcastic tone"?
Perhaps so.

2012-02-09, 01:02   #537
science_man_88

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Mother sues city for $900 trillion–yes, trillion–for placing children in foster care Quote:  Ogunbayo sued the city and the Administration for Children's Services (ACS), alleging that both entities violated her and her children's civil liberties by placing them in foster care in June, 2008. In her lawsuit, obtained by The Smoking Gun, Ogunbayo listed her grievances as follows: "For causing plaintiff substantial economic hardship; for causing plaintiff substantial economic injuries; for depriving plaintiff and plaintiff children's Civil Right, 42 U.S.C. section 1983; for depriving plaintiff and plaintiff's children, the right to family integrity; for depriving plaintiff and plaintiff's children, the right to life, liberty, property and the right guaranteed by statute; for disregarding the probability of plaintiff's children, suffering emotional and mental distress." a little excessive to say the least ! from someone in the comments: Quote:  Isn't there a frivolous lawsuit statute that mandates a fine of 3 times in excess of the amount asked for in said lawsuit? Wonder what she'll think about a$2.7 quadrillion (or whatever the next -illion is) judgement against her?

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2012-02-09, 01:31   #538
Christenson

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Quote:
 Originally Posted by ccorn Researchers boycotting Elsevier, demanding a policy change towards easier access: The Economist: Scientific publishing: The price of information Found at Fefe's blog where you also find links to a top ten subscription prices list and to the campaign site.
What has happened is that the price of transmitting a scientific paper has dropped to nearly zero. The question is "why the dead trees that won't be looked at?" [carbon sequestration :-) ] and "How do we decide which of the papers (after all, there are an awful lot of academics who *HAVE* to publish -- just check with Silverman) are actually important?"

I still read my dead-trees IEEE journals...especially IEEE SPECTRUM...they manage to put a real education in there.

 2012-02-11, 01:56 #539 99.94     Dec 2004 The Land of Lost Content 3·7·13 Posts Parenting skills. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02...ghters_laptop/

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