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 2006-11-15, 12:21 #1 Kees     Dec 2005 22·72 Posts Small factors I was looking at Primenet results for cleared exponents. As I looked at the largest factors found (size 103 bits), I was surprised that regularly, these factors were not prime but contained very small factors. I thought that all exponents available were at least trialfactored upto a certain level. So how can it be that factors like 23 (for exponent 36773851) were missed ? Or are some people just assigning themselves exponents without bothering to check whether they are trialfactored ? I guess I am missing something but would appreciate a clarification.
2006-11-15, 13:26   #2
axn

Jun 2003

2×5×7×71 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Kees I was looking at Primenet results for cleared exponents. As I looked at the largest factors found (size 103 bits), I was surprised that regularly, these factors were not prime but contained very small factors. I thought that all exponents available were at least trialfactored upto a certain level. So how can it be that factors like 23 (for exponent 36773851) were missed ? Or are some people just assigning themselves exponents without bothering to check whether they are trialfactored ? I guess I am missing something but would appreciate a clarification.
The primenet report truncates the really long factors.

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 2006-11-15, 13:52 #3 Kees     Dec 2005 22·72 Posts and I suppose it also truncates the "bit"-length ? The factor I am talking about is indicated as 103 9075527700594867141608327604401 taking the log clearly indicates that 103 is the correct bitlength of this number, so how can it be truncated (which I understand as being chopped at a certain point in the sequence) ? The above number has the factorisation 23*239*6709*55313*163861*27150982078609 where the first five factors are all smaller than 2^18
2006-11-15, 19:41   #4
axn

Jun 2003

10011011010102 Posts

Quote:
 Originally Posted by Kees and I suppose it also truncates the "bit"-length ?
Apparently so

Here are a bunch of factors truncated in the report to 31 digits.
Code:
32492333 103   F  8316861747465793506084499558121  09-Nov-06 19:21  cathas         CE8CFA671
36411527 103   F  7263852526156696381869159290527  11-Nov-06 22:30  blackguard     carbon
36773851 103   F  9075527700594867141608327604401  14-Nov-06 17:53  S517661        C7F0535E6
36534737 101   F  3109119109442520160313833481551  11-Nov-06 13:06  S152209        CFC460636
36626063 101   F  1875630778194861452245225486337  01-Nov-06 09:11  abienvenu      betaweb1
36627907 100   F  1746551189471568749237051498287  03-Nov-06 20:11  mnrcrl42       silvia
What happens is sometimes P-1 finds two factors in a single run and reports it as a huge composite. The report truncates them, but the DB has the actual value. So I guess you could ask George to give you the real values

PS:- The truncated factors are clearly not valid, since a factor of 2^p-1 must be of the form 2kp+1. So the smallest possible factor is 2p+1. If you see anything smaller, obviously it is not correct.

 2006-11-15, 19:55 #5 axn     Jun 2003 2·5·7·71 Posts Well three of them are valid Code: 8316861747465793506084499558121 = 37 * 1097101 * 204885463807621385719433 7263852526156696381869159290527 = 7263852526156696381869159290527 9075527700594867141608327604401 = 23 * 239 * 6709 * 55313 * 163861 * 27150982078609 3109119109442520160313833481551 = 127 * 919 * 26639012872966337600043127 1875630778194861452245225486337 = 1875630778194861452245225486337 1746551189471568749237051498287 = 1746551189471568749237051498287
 2006-11-15, 23:34 #6 gribozavr     Mar 2005 Internet; Ukraine, Kiev 1100101112 Posts If you need to get full factors, you can try guessing the last one or two digits and test if it is the real factor -- only 50 odd numbers to try. This is simple with help of a little program (no, I don't have such a program).
 2006-11-16, 00:12 #7 markr     "Mark" Feb 2003 Sydney 57310 Posts Three of them are in the latest factor.cmp, and their (prime!) factors are: Code: 32492333,38316861747465793506084499558121 36626063,1875630778194861452245225486337 36627907,1746551189471568749237051498287 The report truncates the first digit/s.

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