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Old 2007-12-10, 17:06   #23
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People who aren't willing to learn don't ask questions.
May I assume this is a double negative
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:14   #24
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The "you" I used was directed at R.D. Silverman, it wasn't a "they" aimed at everyone in the thread.

Also, though you may feel differently, in my opinion he did make light of your issue (/question/predicament/quagmire/situation) by saying this:
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WTP???????

What could be simpler??
It's not my aim to turn this into a flame war or an ethics debate, but I must state that I personally feel that the way R.D. Silverman has acted here is morally dubious. If you want to help someone, help them, if you don't want to help someone, don't help them, but don't mock people for trying to learn, that's bullying.
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:15   #25
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[QUOTE=lavalamp;120329]People who aren't willing to learn don't ask questions.

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On the contrary. We see people in sci.math, sci.crypt, sci.comp*
ask "how do I do the following..." and it is clear that they are just asking
others to do their homework forr them.....
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:18   #26
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Well yes, I see that on another forum I frequent too, and we don't allow posts that are plainly someones homework. However, in this case it seems reasonably certain that this isn't a homework assignment.
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I never learned any modular arithmetic at my skool either.
Statistics neither. OTOH both are interesting. I implemented
some RSA a couple of years ago, just to prove I understood
what it was about.

David
Except that implementing RSA from some cookbook explanation
does NOT show that you understand "what it is about". If you understand
it as you claim, for example, then you can explain why padding is necessary
(just as an example). From your limited knowledge of modular arithmetic,
it is almost certain that you do not understand why padding is needed.

You can't understand this subject without learning the basic,
underlying mathematics.
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:21   #28
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The "you" I used was directed at R.D. Silverman, it wasn't a "they" aimed at everyone in the thread.

Also, though you may feel differently, in my opinion he did make light of your issue (/question/predicament/quagmire/situation) by saying this:It's not my aim to turn this into a flame war or an ethics debate, but I must state that I personally feel that the way R.D. Silverman has acted here is morally dubious. If you want to help someone, help them, if you don't want to help someone, don't help them, but don't mock people for trying to learn, that's bullying.
But it is clear that the O.P. is NOT "trying to learn". If he were, he
would get some books on the subject, read them, and do the exercizes.

At the very least at short search with Google would have answered his
questions. What appears to me is that he just wants answers handed to him.
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:30   #29
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The "you" I used was directed at R.D. Silverman, it wasn't a "they" aimed at everyone in the thread.

Also, though you may feel differently, in my opinion he did make light of your issue (/question/predicament/quagmire/situation) by saying this:It's not my aim to turn this into a flame war or an ethics debate, but I must state that I personally feel that the way R.D. Silverman has acted here is morally dubious. If you want to help someone, help them, if you don't want to help someone, don't help them, but don't mock people for trying to learn, that's bullying.
THX lavalamp. I don't think any misdirection was invovled here.
He took this piss out of my terminology
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Old 2007-12-10, 17:46   #30
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But it is clear that the O.P. is NOT "trying to learn". If he were, he
would get some books on the subject, read them, and do the exercizes.

At the very least at short search with Google would have answered his
questions. What appears to me is that he just wants answers handed to him.
On the other hand, he might just enjoy the pleasure
of conversation. Ask a sensible question and listen to
the answer.
David
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Old 2007-12-10, 18:06   #31
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We should want to help those who are *** willing to learn ***.
We should not be doing other people's homework for them.
Bob, when I want your advice on when I should be helpful, I will ask for it. I trust you will be helpful when and if that occasion occurs.

In the meantime, please do me the courtesy of allowing me to make my own decisions on when, and when not, to be helpful. If you read my past history on this forum you will come across many examples of when my decision has gone each way.

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Bob, when I want your advice on when I should be helpful, I will ask for it. I trust you will be helpful when and if that occasion occurs.

In the meantime, please do me the courtesy of allowing me to make my own decisions on when, and when not, to be helpful. If you read my past history on this forum you will come across many examples of when my decision has gone each way.

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Is this helpful advice anything to do with me getting barred?

IIRC Paul hasn't contributed to this thread yet. No need since
the OP has been answered very well already.
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Is this helpful advice anything to do with me getting barred?

IIRC Paul hasn't contributed to this thread yet. No need since
the OP has been answered very well already.
Bob's advice was clearly aimed at the general case, not the specific instance exemplified by this thread.

As you have noted, on this particular occasion I was not helpful. Whether Bob noticed that or not remains to be seen.

(Actually, I did contribute to this thread, so you've not been paying attention. My contribution was to the effect that contributors may be helpful because they enjoy being helpful.)

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