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#1 |
Nov 2017
United Kingdom
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#2 |
Aug 2006
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I think you've made a mistake in transcribing the problem in the title. Maybe that's why you're having trouble solving it?
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#3 |
Just call me Henry
"David"
Sep 2007
Liverpool (GMT/BST)
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As it stands I believe it to be false. For n >= 0, it is fairly easy to show that (A+1)^n = 1 mod A.
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#4 |
Nov 2017
United Kingdom
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I stupidly pressed enter while writing the title. I meant to put a minus one before the mod part!
As a result, there was no content in my post! Anyway, I might as well prove it :P (Proving, for A > 0, (A+1)^n -1 = Am) (m is just some number which satisfies the equation) (base case for induction) n=1: (A+1)^1 -1 = Am (A+1)-1 = A = Am (m=1) ALSO (A+1) = Am+1 (hypothesis) n=k: (A+1)^k -1 = Am ALSO (A+1)^k = Am+1 (inductive step? I don't really understand induction :P) n=k+1: (A+1)^k+1 -1 = Am ((A+1)^k)*((A+1)^1) -1 = Am (Am_1+1)(Am_2+1) -1 = Am A^2*m_1*m_2+Am_1+Am_2+1 -1 = Am A^2*m_1*m_2+Am_1+Am_2 = Am (m=A*m_1*m_2+m_1+m_2) I think that proves it! So if someone says 307^948234-1 is prime, just tell them that it's divisible by 306. Probably. NB: 4^1-1 or 8^1-1 are prime. They're divisible by 3 or 7 respectively. It only works being non-prime if the value is squared, cubed etc. (4^2-1 is 15 and is divisible by 3) Last fiddled with by MushNine on 2017-12-21 at 10:35 |
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#5 |
"Forget I exist"
Jul 2009
Dartmouth NS
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Dec 2012
The Netherlands
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If you take any integer \(A\) and set \(a=A+1\) and \(b=1\) in the above, it gives your result. So this is a more general version. |
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#7 |
Romulan Interpreter
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand
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Even simpler, A+1 = 1 (mod A).
Therefore, (A+1)^n = 1^n = 1 (mod A). Nothing to prove. (to be moved to misc math) Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2017-12-22 at 07:55 |
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#8 |
Nov 2017
United Kingdom
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Fair enough. I just couldn't find a proof anywhere and thought I might just make sure it's true - at the very least. So I'm glad I achieved a goal of some sort.
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#9 |
"Jeppe"
Jan 2016
Denmark
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This is related to one way you can generalize Mersenne primes \(2^n - 1\).
If you try to change the \(2\) into \(A+1\) with \(A>1\), we have seen above that the resulting \((A+1)^n-1\) can never be prime because it is divisible by \(A\). Therefore we can consider instead \[\frac{(A+1)^n-1}{A}\] which may or may not be prime, just like Mersenne numbers. This is what some people call repunits in base \(A+1\). For example \(\frac{10^{19}-1}{9}\) or 1111111111111111111 is prime. /JeppeSN Last fiddled with by JeppeSN on 2018-01-03 at 23:27 |
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#10 |
Romulan Interpreter
"name field"
Jun 2011
Thailand
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Yet, this is still a divisibility sequence, the terms can be prime only if the number of 1 in the sequence is prime, that is, only if the n is prime. The proof is very simple, and similar to the "binary proof" for mersenne numbers: if the number of 1 in the sequence is not prime, then split them in equal strings and you just factored your number. For example, N=(10^15-1)/9=111 111 111 111 111=111*(1001001001001)=11111 11111 11111=11111*(10000100001), and you have already (at least) two different ways to factor N, without any calculus.
So, for such a number to be prime, n must be prime. Last fiddled with by LaurV on 2018-01-04 at 03:30 |
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