Prime-Wiki - Page 10

Happy5214 · 2020-04-03, 01:46

k=10151 wasn't showing up because the word "prime" in the page title was incorrectly capitalized. That word should be in all lowercase. I went ahead and moved the page to the correct title, and it shows up now in the table.

As for the table becoming too large, we may soon have to ditch the complete table and just use the table ranges derived from the old RPPDb.

Dylan14 · 2020-04-03, 13:27

The other option would to move the full table to a pdf, much like what is done for the Cunningham tables. The one downside is that editing it would be a bit harder for us who work on the tables.

storm5510 · 2020-04-03, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Happy5214

k=10151 wasn't showing up because the word "prime" in the page title was incorrectly capitalized. That word should be in all lowercase. I went ahead and moved the page to the correct title, and it shows up now in the table.

As for the table becoming too large, we may soon have to ditch the complete table and just use the table ranges derived from the old RPPDb.

Thank you so much. Most kind.

The last time I tried to load the table, it took somewhere between 10 and 15 seconds to pull it all in. Some of this is due to bandwidth because of so many stuck at home.

I believe doing away with the table might be best. Each item in there has its own page with a link. Simply jump to the index pages. There are only two at the moment, I believe.

kuratkull · 2020-04-03, 18:29

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Originally Posted by storm5510

Thank you so much. Most kind.

The last time I tried to load the table, it took somewhere between 10 and 15 seconds to pull it all in. Some of this is due to bandwidth because of so many stuck at home.

I believe doing away with the table might be best. Each item in there has its own page with a link. Simply jump to the index pages. There are only two at the moment, I believe.

The table is the most useful thing in the whole wiki. It allows visual analysis and is just beautiful to look at. The HTML for the list of all Riesel k's is 50KB. That's nothing, your average cat meme is more than that. I don't think removing useful content because your computer is slow or your network speed sucks is the best way.

kar_bon · 2020-04-03, 20:46

First, the table with all Riesel values will be too much to keep, because looking at the RPPDb there will be much more values than now in the Wiki.

I can't say by now if the ranges for all k-values like now are a good choice or need to be changed later (the table for Leyland numbers with ~1500 values takes some seconds here).

Those tables are generated on the fly so it could take some time to create. Faster if they are in the cache already.
The page for k<300 will remain as is, for the other ranges I need more data to determine if they have to be shorten. So k<300 contains 150 values, for others ranges <10k there're 1000. It's a difference in timings.
There're several changes that could be done:
- create smaller ranges = categories
- create tables with less data to collect and display

I'm also considering on every Riesel prime page a navbox: links to the previous/next value, links to other ranges/tables, pages with raw data of every range for download/copy.

All k-values of any range (or all over) as PDF is an option for a download later, but this can't be updated immediately as any page edit is done.
I also plan a link/page to create a LLR result file of any k-value to copy/download for easy doublechecking (this could be done like for Leylands).

If I create more data with k-values the next weeks when k<300 is ready, we will see the behaviour.
The next days I can change some links and pages and split the whole k-value table into smaller/own tables first.
The Wiki handling and layout is still not complete yet and I know it's much work to do so this will take some time but there's a current data table with Riesel k<300 by now with more information on every other list I know and it grows.

kuratkull · 2020-04-03, 21:37

My previous comment was actually distressed about the suggestion of removing the k<300 table. That table seems very well defined and grows slowly. On the other hand the table for 'all' k's is indeed a bit arbitrary. Even if it is just 50KB. Since it's easy to find Riesel primes, it's going to be impossible to catalogue them all, especially if n has no lower limit. I could generate primes for millions of k's with small n's and submit them to the wiki... that would be bad news. That's why the Prime Pages works - they have a dynamic limit for the size of the prime - that's the necessary 'well defined' rule for them. So maybe there's not much point for the 'all ks' table after all.

kar_bon · 2020-04-04, 10:04

I've created a Navigation-Box for Riesel primes and inserted them to some pages which makes it easier to find those.
So far not all tables/links available and the all-Riesel-table is still available but not linked.
Please do not edit the navbox-template, perhaps there're other suggestions to insert.

Happy5214 · 2020-04-06, 05:02

I recommend protecting pages and templates like that navbox to technically prevent non-admins from editing them. It may not be absolutely necessary given the small number of users, but it's a good way to signal to people who don't regularly check this thread to not edit those pages.

kar_bon · 2020-04-07, 09:18

I've restricted the namespace for templates editable only by admins, so this should do it.

storm5510 · 2020-04-07, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by kar_bon

...I'm also considering on every Riesel prime page a navbox: links to the previous/next value, links to other ranges/tables, pages with raw data of every range for download/copy...

You have done an excellent job on the makeover. It looks good. The above would be helpful.

kar_bon · 2020-04-15, 09:29

The table/data for 4000<k<4200 is online now.
Due to the data spreadsheet given by Amphoria and the collecting posts of primes found by Riesel Prime Search this was an almost easy run to complete so far.

2020-04-03, 01:46	#100
Happy5214 "Alexander" Nov 2008 The Alamo City 2·401 Posts	k=10151 wasn't showing up because the word "prime" in the page title was incorrectly capitalized. That word should be in all lowercase. I went ahead and moved the page to the correct title, and it shows up now in the table. As for the table becoming too large, we may soon have to ditch the complete table and just use the table ranges derived from the old RPPDb. Last fiddled with by Happy5214 on 2020-04-03 at 01:48

2020-04-06, 05:02	#107
Happy5214 "Alexander" Nov 2008 The Alamo City 2·401 Posts	I recommend protecting pages and templates like that navbox to technically prevent non-admins from editing them. It may not be absolutely necessary given the small number of users, but it's a good way to signal to people who don't regularly check this thread to not edit those pages. Last fiddled with by Happy5214 on 2020-04-06 at 05:02

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2020-04-03, 13:27	#101
Dylan14 "Dylan" Mar 2017 2⁴×37 Posts	The other option would to move the full table to a pdf, much like what is done for the Cunningham tables. The one downside is that editing it would be a bit harder for us who work on the tables.

2020-04-03, 20:46	#104
kar_bon Mar 2006 Germany 2³·3²·41 Posts	First, the table with all Riesel values will be too much to keep, because looking at the RPPDb there will be much more values than now in the Wiki. I can't say by now if the ranges for all k-values like now are a good choice or need to be changed later (the table for Leyland numbers with ~1500 values takes some seconds here). Those tables are generated on the fly so it could take some time to create. Faster if they are in the cache already. The page for k<300 will remain as is, for the other ranges I need more data to determine if they have to be shorten. So k<300 contains 150 values, for others ranges <10k there're 1000. It's a difference in timings. There're several changes that could be done: - create smaller ranges = categories - create tables with less data to collect and display I'm also considering on every Riesel prime page a navbox: links to the previous/next value, links to other ranges/tables, pages with raw data of every range for download/copy. All k-values of any range (or all over) as PDF is an option for a download later, but this can't be updated immediately as any page edit is done. I also plan a link/page to create a LLR result file of any k-value to copy/download for easy doublechecking (this could be done like for Leylands). If I create more data with k-values the next weeks when k<300 is ready, we will see the behaviour. The next days I can change some links and pages and split the whole k-value table into smaller/own tables first. The Wiki handling and layout is still not complete yet and I know it's much work to do so this will take some time but there's a current data table with Riesel k<300 by now with more information on every other list I know and it grows.

2020-04-03, 21:37	#105
kuratkull Mar 2007 Estonia 225₈ Posts	My previous comment was actually distressed about the suggestion of removing the k<300 table. That table seems very well defined and grows slowly. On the other hand the table for 'all' k's is indeed a bit arbitrary. Even if it is just 50KB. Since it's easy to find Riesel primes, it's going to be impossible to catalogue them all, especially if n has no lower limit. I could generate primes for millions of k's with small n's and submit them to the wiki... that would be bad news. That's why the Prime Pages works - they have a dynamic limit for the size of the prime - that's the necessary 'well defined' rule for them. So maybe there's not much point for the 'all ks' table after all.

2020-04-04, 10:04	#106
kar_bon Mar 2006 Germany 5610₈ Posts	I've created a Navigation-Box for Riesel primes and inserted them to some pages which makes it easier to find those. So far not all tables/links available and the all-Riesel-table is still available but not linked. Please do not edit the navbox-template, perhaps there're other suggestions to insert.

2020-04-07, 09:18	#108
kar_bon Mar 2006 Germany B88₁₆ Posts	I've restricted the namespace for templates editable only by admins, so this should do it.

2020-04-15, 09:29	#110
kar_bon Mar 2006 Germany 2³×3²×41 Posts	The table/data for 4000<k<4200 is online now. Due to the data spreadsheet given by Amphoria and the collecting posts of primes found by Riesel Prime Search this was an almost easy run to complete so far.