20210124, 17:46  #2080  
"James Heinrich"
May 2004
exNorthern Ontario
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It will affect the number of future curves run at the current bounds (since the server now thinks the exponent has had more ECM factoring applied than it actually has). If you have a definitive list of which exact exponents you duplicatesubmitted and how many extra curves you claimed but didn't actually run, you could PM this to George and he may wish to fiddle the database to make the correction (or not, at his discretion). Please avoid duplicate ECM result submissions. 

20210124, 18:01  #2081  
Serpentine Vermin Jar
Jul 2014
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I'd guess these instances have something to do with the new certification work types being done, or something like that. It's something to look at when time allows. 

20210124, 18:40  #2082  
Serpentine Vermin Jar
Jul 2014
2×5×7×47 Posts 
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And you're specifically referring to the "Available" counts (since the totalcompositenoLL=0) For example, for 242M there are 20521 with no LL (or PRP) done, so the # available should add up to that. That gives me something to look into... odds are they're probably available but as one of the obscure work types, and the report isn't showing those. 

20210124, 18:48  #2083  
Oct 2020
Belgium
7_{8} Posts 
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A small list of some of these exponents I accidentally oversubmitted as new ECM curves: https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 https://www.mersenne.org/report_expo...ll=1&ecmhist=1 

20210124, 18:50  #2084 
Oct 2020
Belgium
7_{10} Posts 
It seems in total I have 606 counts of a bogus result submission (as in: any amount of submissions more than just the first time I clocked in the result.)
I'm able to pinpoint every one of them in my results tab, sorting by ECM>only manual results. I'm not sure if I should print this page to pdf and attach it in an email or perhaps go through every single exponent and say that only 1 of the results for said exponents should be valid... Edit: missed a plural form of a word :) Last fiddled with by lisanderke on 20210124 at 18:51 
20210124, 19:36  #2085  
Serpentine Vermin Jar
Jul 2014
6332_{8} Posts 
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I'm running some cleanup now  it seems like it was mostly centered around some specific ranges where people had reserved a bunch of TF and then abandoned them, but there are a handful of others here and there. Could take a while to get them all sorted and then we'll see how it looks. 

20210124, 20:43  #2086  
"Curtis"
Feb 2005
Riverside, CA
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20210124, 22:22  #2087  
P90 years forever!
Aug 2002
Yeehaw, FL
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If you feel particularly guilty, you can turn off "Use Primenet" option, fill your worktodo.txt, and only report a factor if you find one. 

20210124, 23:29  #2088  
Oct 2020
Belgium
7 Posts 
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But wouldn't switching to the next bound earlier not mean we might (very slight chance I presume) have missed a factor in that bound? 

20210125, 01:44  #2089 
"Curtis"
Feb 2005
Riverside, CA
2×5×467 Posts 
I think your question means you don't understand ECM well. If an ECM curve would find a factor, increased bounds with the same sigma would also find the factor.
There's a slight loss in efficiency in running curves "too big" for a factor hunt, but not much. For example, if an input called for B1=50k curves but you ran curves at B1=100k, you improve your chances to find a bigger factor (say, 2729 digits) at the expense of taking longer to find a 2425 digit factor than you would expect to take running curves at B1=50k. So, your false reports might trigger the next user to run curves at B1=250k sooner, but that's hardly a waste. I skip the 50k level entirely sometimes, such as my current work in 14.01M range. Last fiddled with by VBCurtis on 20210125 at 01:44 
20210125, 02:06  #2090 
"James Heinrich"
May 2004
exNorthern Ontario
2·7·233 Posts 
Well explained, thank you. I'm sure there's many users here (myself especially included) who run this stuff for some fun without really understanding the math behind it, so simple explanations like that are wonderful.

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