COVID vaccination wavefront

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by The Carnivore

I don't necessarily agree with this, but there is a case to be made for getting rid of the tiers and just distributing vaccines based on a lottery system. All lives matter, and prioritizing one group over another sends some questionable messages.

The Florida county where my sister lives is doing vaccinations by lottery.

[Uncwilly]

Originally Posted by The Carnivore

I don't necessarily agree with this, but there is a case to be made for getting rid of the tiers and just distributing vaccines based on a lottery system. All lives matter, and prioritizing one group over another sends some questionable messages.

If you vaccinate certain professions first, you're saying that some essential workers are worth more than other essential workers even if that's not reflected in their salary or experience.

Ok, let's hand out bullet proof vest at random to all 'essential workers'. The person cleaning out the sewers can get one the same as the lab tech in the hospital and the same as the cop and the pilot. And same with radiation shielding, we will hand that out randomly, the trash truck driver, the postal worker and the teacher will all get the same chance as an x-ray tech. So much sense there.

Old folks are vastly more likely to die from COVID than a 20 year old. Staff working at care facilities are more likely to be a vector to bring the virus into a care facility or shuttle it between patients. People working in the hospital have a much larger exposure risk than the person picking up trash dumpsters. EMS personnel have high exposure risks. A person writing code at home (or screenplays or opinion articles) has a low risk. People who live in concentrated groups (like poor immigrants and soldiers) have a higher exposure risk.

[Dr Sardonicus]

(my emphasis)

Originally Posted by The Carnivore

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All lives matter, and prioritizing one group over another sends some questionable messages.

If you vaccinate certain professions first, you're saying that
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If you vaccinate those with underlying health conditions first, you're saying that
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If you vaccinate those in certain living conditions first, you're saying that
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IMO you're hearing that, or striving to hear that, because you want to get on your ideological hobby horse.

If you prevent a 95 year old's death now, he/she will likely die of something else in the next 2-3 years.
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So, you're saying that anybody 95 years of age or older should be denied any kind of potentially lifesaving medical treatment. They don't have long to live anyway, so their lives aren't worth saving...

You're saying that, rather than a system based on slowing the spread of the disease, and trying to protect those most susceptible to suffering severe illness from it, you would prefer denying vaccines to those found unworthy by a Death Panel...

[The Carnivore]

Originally Posted by Dr Sardonicus

(my emphasis)
IMO you're hearing that, or striving to hear that, because you want to get on your ideological hobby horse.

So, you're saying that anybody 95 years of age or older should be denied any kind of potentially lifesaving medical treatment. They don't have long to live anyway, so their lives aren't worth saving...

You're saying that, rather than a system based on slowing the spread of the disease, and trying to protect those most susceptible to suffering severe illness from it, you would prefer denying vaccines to those found unworthy by a Death Panel...

Nope, I'm saying that there's a case to be made for not prioritizing anyone and giving out vaccines randomly instead. If a 95 year old wins the vaccine lottery, give it to him/her. If a 20 year old wins the vaccine lottery, give it to him/her.

If anything, vaccinating 20 year olds would slow the spread of the disease a lot more than vaccinating 95 year olds would. The average 20 year old comes into contact with a lot of people - classmates, co-workers, older family members, friends, roommates, significant others, etc. The average 95 year old's social circle, OTOH, is much smaller.

[The Carnivore]

Originally Posted by Uncwilly

Ok, let's hand out bullet proof vest at random to all 'essential workers'. The person cleaning out the sewers can get one the same as the lab tech in the hospital and the same as the cop and the pilot. And same with radiation shielding, we will hand that out randomly, the trash truck driver, the postal worker and the teacher will all get the same chance as an x-ray tech. So much sense there.

If vaccines are prioritized based on profession, those involved in water treatment, food production, food delivery, and energy/power generation should be prioritized over healthcare workers. If everyone involved in healthcare died today, 80+% of the country would be alive in April. But if everyone directly involved in the food, water, and energy sectors were to die today, 80+% of the country would be dead by April.

[Batalov]

Interesting - It seems that the antibody test that BloodBank uses (after blood donation; namely "Vitros Total Anti-SARS-CoV-2"; it tests against S1 protein) becomes positive after Moderna vac.
Some other antibody tests are checking against N-protein so they remain negative (at least that's what hospital communications said - meaning the one that they are internally using).

[Uncwilly]

Originally Posted by Batalov

Interesting

I think the ARC must be running both, because they have results from donations of: + , - and 'Well it's complicated' (my words). That later only shows up when people have had the jab.

[xilman]

Today. Ox-AZ version.

Second dose booked for 2021-05-19T15:55Z.

[ryanp]

Just got mine today - Moderna.

[pinhodecarlos]

Wife had hers today, the Ox-AZ version one.

[storm5510]

Got my first today. Moderna. The second is on April 12.