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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Rationalists need to get the word out that pseudoscience is not harmless.
Once again, the supposedly-scientific basis for a wave of pseudoscience (which in this case has caused children's deaths) has been revealed to be fraudulent. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle5683671.ece "MMR doctor Andrew Wakefield fixed data on autism" Quote:
Several years ago, it was revealed that the leader of a (or even the most) prominent U.S. ESP research center had systematically altered data for decades to make it seem that ESP experiments had shown significant ESP effects. I don't know if deaths can be attributed to the fostering of ESP-belief in the general public, but I'm pretty sure that thousands of people have been swindled out of millions of dollars by ESP-claimants. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-02-09 at 00:32 |
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"Mark"
Apr 2003
Between here and the
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Faith healers usually don't claim a scientific basis, or publish in The Lancet. I don't know how much TV face time Dr. Wakefield has, or whether he has a PO box for mailed contributions. http://csicop.org/ has more information, I'm sure. They once monitored the radio transmissions between a faith healer's "back room" and the tiny receiver in his ear during his healing performance. This arrangement allowed him to wow the audience by revealing information about audience members that they'd written on cards and passed-in to ushers earlier in the service, while all could plainly see that the faith healer had never been close enough to the cards to read them. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-02-09 at 06:55 Reason: Last time I checked, "science" wasn't spelled "ephedrine", but what do I know? |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Moderators,
Please restore this thread's title to: "Pseudoscience leads to deaths of children" I can go along with a lot of jokes, but the joke title has been on this thread long enough now. One of my primary interests is combating the threat that pseudoscience poses for misleading the public in many ways. As shown above, this threat is not trivial. Pseudoscience has killed people, including children. It's a deadly serious matter. Although I have in the past complained about changes in title of one other thread I started (about Jimmy Carter), you've seen that such complaints are not my common practice. |
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"Chris"
Feb 2005
England
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I've started reading Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Science".
Some of the stuff he reveals is horrendous. http://www.badscience.net/ |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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Feature article in this week's eSkeptic from www.skeptic.com:
"Vaccines & Autism: A Deadly Manufactroversy" http://www.skeptic.com/eskeptic/09-06-03#feature Quote:
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May 2003
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cheesehead,
While I imagine there is pseudoscience associated with this topic, it seems to me that the portion you quoted from the original article isn't about pseudo-science per se. Rather, it is about a scientist falsifying information, which later science discovered (but not in time to save lives and/or reverse public opinion). Am I way off base here? |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
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I didn't mean to present that first article as a summary or history of the entire autism/vaccine mess; I intended to present it as simply one recent (at the time I posted it) development (the Sunday Times investigation) in the case. I could have explained that better. - - - As to the distinction between pseudoscience and science: that's something I need to write quite a few paragraphs about when my non-GIMPS life calms down. In this case, one of the pseudoscientific aspects of the antivaccine movement was its concentration on only the few cases that seemed to support its thesis (that something about the vaccines was causing autism), while ignoring, or at least giving no weight to, the multiple cases of careful studies contradicting that. Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-06-04 at 00:38 |
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"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
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"Homeopathic drugs may harm"
http://www.newsobserver.com/nation_w...y/1573596.html (My emphasis by underlining - cheesehead) Quote:
Result: every health-food/natural-remedy store I've ever entered in the past decade has on its shelves a "natural" remedy for depression that could cause me to have seizures if I took it -- without any warning about this on its label !!! My own mother repeatedly tried to persuade me to take this "natural" remedy, despite my every-time protests that it was potentially harmful to me. I will grant Mom that, finally, after I sent her a note from my doctor stating the same thing I'd been telling her for years, she stopped trying to persuade me to take the herb. Recently I filed a written complaint with a newly-opened natural-foods-and-remedies store about the presence on its shelves of this herbal remedy without any warning on its label. The clerk to whom I spoke actually took the (single) bottle off the shelf and placed it with my note in the office for his manager's later attention. Next week, it was back on the shelf -- three bottles of it. - - - The same store sent me a newsletter claiming that wheatgrass contained 99 different elements, explaining that this was a Good Thing. (Yes, they meant the chemical elements, like carbon, oxygen, ... and 97 others.) I wrote back, explaining that only The manager replied by passing off responsibility (for the 99 elements claim, that is) to text he copied from some website (it's on the web, so must be true -- right??), which had copied it from another website ... I repeated my question about which Last fiddled with by cheesehead on 2009-06-23 at 08:14 Reason: corrected figures, as CRGreathouse pointed out |
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Undefined
"The unspeakable one"
Jun 2006
My evil lair
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The text about the 99 elements is probably true. Nothing in this world is ever pure. I expect that everything I eat (or drink) has at least some uranium, plutonium, lead etc. It is only the relative amounts that will change depending upon what I am actually eating at the time.
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