20050904, 21:14  #1 
Aug 2002
20757_{8} Posts 
New SubForum...
It has been a while since we have added a new subforum... Some of the ones we have added in the past have worked out pretty well, and some of them are very dead...
Some have asked for a "Beginner's Math" forum... Maybe this is a good idea? Let me know what you all want... PS  Just in case you all don't know it, if the extra forums bother you, you can hide them like a window shade by using the button on the right hand side of the screen... A lot of stuff on the forum can be hidden that way... 
20050904, 21:29  #2 
"Nancy"
Aug 2002
Alexandria
2,467 Posts 
I don't expect the occasional cranks we get here will use the beginners' forum to post  after all, they have just discovered the formula for all Mersenne primes! And almost all regular discussion usually happening in the Math forum would probably belong in the beginners' forum anyways, at least from the viewpoint of a serious mathematican. I don't think there's much point in moving almost all traffic into a subforum.
That said, how about a Research subforum? That forum could be moderated and impose restrictions (i.e. a lower bound) on the quality of the submissions. That way the regular math forum would be open to all members, regardless of level of mathematical education, and the buffs would have a hangout of their own. Alex Edit: this is how Usenet newsgroups usually are organised: an open newsgroup and a moderated .research subgroup. Last fiddled with by akruppa on 20050904 at 21:30 
20050905, 00:20  #3 
Jun 2005
Near Beetlegeuse
110000100_{2} Posts 
This idea has been suggested before, most recently in May when Mystwalker posted this:
http://www.mersenneforum.org/showthread.php?t=3843 Rereading it again made me laugh; just see how quickly the discussion went offtopic, and why. I like to think that the situation has improved an awful lot since then. But judging from the amount of traffic there is in the Math forum  only 47 threads in four months  makes me wonder whether this is really necessary. There have been and always will be stupid questions, guys claiming they’ve proved this or that, or knowing a quicker or better way to do something or other. But in a way, they just make me appreciate the quality of the other stuff more. And as it’s principally the math that I come here for I guess I’m just concerned that separation is going to lower that quality. Oh I know that there’s nothing to stop the experts answering questions in the other forum, whatever you choose to call it. What worries me is the 2nd rankers, the guys who aren’t top line experts, or are too modest to think of themselves that way, who won’t be interested in dropping in to see what us idiots are talking about, because all the “real” maths is going on in the other place. And I don’t think that creating a themandus mentality is a good way to encourage a community spirit. I can see where you’re coming from, but I would have to vote with the no’s. 
20050908, 10:18  #4 
May 2005
Copenhagen, Denmark
441_{8} Posts 
I'm all for it! Because people may have stupid questions (f.ex. they may need a newbieexplanation of how LLR works, what "mod" means or something) that they're afraid to ask in the math forum because it's all big and advanced posts in there. The only n00bs who post in the math forum are often "cranks" or people who are way off (I guess).
I, myself and me have tried to explain the Sierpinski problem in a way so hopefully even people who don't know a lot of math should have a chance of understanding. It would be great to have similar stuff for ECM, P1 and all sorts of "scary" algorithms (I don't know enough to do such things myself). The new mersennewiki (Thanks, Xyzzy! ) may hopefully prove a place for easily understandable explanations, but if there is something newbies don't understand I believe they should have a place to seek help without being cranks. Some of the users in here have quite a great teaching ability (akruppa, philmoore and several others ). And it's nice to get answers to dumb problems (I know firsthand) So I think a beginnermath forum (or subforum to the mathforum) would be a great idea! Just my opinion. OH 
20050908, 13:41  #5  
"William"
May 2003
Near Grandkid
4507_{8} Posts 
Quote:
k is an odd integer Then a bit later Let's say that k=2. An example with an odd value for k would be better. 

20050908, 14:47  #6 
May 2005
Copenhagen, Denmark
121_{16} Posts 
Heh, sorry I'll fix that soon...
Anyway, back to topic. Anyone with comments? 
20050909, 19:04  #7  
"Richard B. Woods"
Aug 2002
Wisconsin USA
2^{2}×3×641 Posts 
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The basic difference in this Research subforum plan, compared to the earlier plan, is just that it shuffles the names around. Will the extra prestige of "Research" in the title motivate enough volunteering to make it work? While I'm adopting a slight cynicism for humorous effect, I also recognize that there are real benefits to prestigeous titles. Plus, making the elite forum a new one would have the advantage of not dragging all the historical baggage of the existing one. 

20050919, 13:04  #8 
"Nancy"
Aug 2002
Alexandria
2,467 Posts 
I'd again like to suggest a moderated Research subforum to the Math forum, and the Math forum should have a rule set of its own. Imo it should be explicitly open to all, of all levels of education. Flames should be explicitly unwelcome. If a member finds a posting unfitting, the correct course of action should be to either ignore the posting or to ask Xyzzy/a moderator to deal with it.
Alex 
20050919, 13:25  #9  
Bamboozled!
"𒉺𒌌𒇷𒆷𒀭"
May 2003
Down not across
7×1,697 Posts 
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20050919, 13:52  #10 
"Nancy"
Aug 2002
Alexandria
4643_{8} Posts 
I'd gladly do it. I don't expect there to be much traffic in the Research forum, anyway. But I'd feel better if someone with better mathematical abilities than I have were to comoderate. Someone with a rather stoic mindset, preferably. Phil Moore, maybe? Phil, would you be interested? Or would anyone like to suggest someone else?
Alex 
20050919, 14:40  #11  
Aug 2004
italy
1110001_{2} Posts 
Research forum, it is a good idea ?
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Please do not lock yourselves into an ivory tower named Research forum, but sometimes look out. I specially ask Bob to be patient with us even when we seem to refuse to educate ourselves, I have learned a lot of interesting things from his replies, but number theory is not my full time job, and I am too old to hope to learn all of it in a reasonable amount of time. I have also a request: someone (Bob again ?) could do a list of recommened books for beginners and advanced, and make it a stiky append in the Math forum, so it will be there for all of us to consider. Thanks for listening. Pierpaolo. 

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