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Old 2008-02-21, 17:18   #12
R.D. Silverman
 
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[QUOTE=Andi47;126356]What is wrong with letting people have fun / satisfaction / whatever with projects other than cunningham???

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Didn't your mom ever tell you to finish what you start before doing
something else?

In my *opinion*, people undertake these other projects simply
because existing projects have become HARD and they are looking for
something easy.

And I *still* don't see what satisfaction derives from just running
someone else's code as a black box.

I do this stuff because it lets me try alternate parameterizations.
This allows me to determine if theoretical improvements work in
practice. It allows me to twiddle with my code to see if it can be
improved. I learn mathematics and I learn about how the code and
algorithm behaves. What does running msieve as a black box teach?
The actual numerical factorizations themselves are not important.
Oliver Atkin called the Cunningham project "Wagstaff's stamp collection".
There is a lot of truth in that statement.
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Old 2008-02-22, 05:23   #13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by R.D. Silverman View Post
In my *opinion*, people undertake these other projects simply because existing projects have become HARD and they are looking for something easy.

And I *still* don't see what satisfaction derives from just running
someone else's code as a black box.

I do this stuff because it lets me try alternate parameterizations.
This allows me to determine if theoretical improvements work in
practice. It allows me to twiddle with my code to see if it can be
improved. I learn mathematics and I learn about how the code and
algorithm behaves.
I run the Odd Perfect Number search from time to time, and my reason is simply because you're a pompous ass.

I probably have Asperger's Syndrome, plus I hate following the crowd in things unless I have a really good reason. Despite both these things, I seem to be far more sensible in my dealings with people than you are.

There are probably some good books out there on manners. Try starting out with books made for elementary school kids and see what you think.

Edit: As Jesus would say,"If we own the whole world, but have not love, we have nothing." You, sir, are a spiritual pauper.

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Old 2008-02-23, 15:29   #14
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I'm locking this thread to prevent yet another Silverman bashing thread. There are plenty of those already. Bob has expressed these same opinions and received these same replies multiple times.
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