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davieddy 2010-06-12 11:32

World Cup Soccer
 
England v USA in 7 hours from now.

There is a silly fashion in UK for mocking the
term "soccer", when these days we usually say "football".
I find this mockery ridiculous/ignorant:
"Soccer" originated ages ago in England as an
abbreviation of "Association Football", and serves to
distinguish it from "Rugby Football".
The need to distinguish it from "American Football"
must be at least as great Stateside.

I suppose "Soccer" and "Rugger" are most freguently
heard in schools and universities. My father (Oxford 1921)
explained the slang current at the time, and referred to
the Queen as "the Quagger".

David

xilman 2010-06-12 14:27

[quote=davieddy;218309]I suppose "Soccer" and "Rugger" are most freguently heard in schools and universities. My father (Oxford 1921)
explained the slang current at the time, and referred to
the Queen as "the Quagger".

David[/quote]The Oxbridge "-er" slang has almost disappeared now. It was common at Oxford from roughly 1890 up to the first world war or so. It was already in decline when your father went up.

"Cuppers" are still held at Oxford; the word "bugger" is in widespread use though I'm not completely certain that it derives from -er slang. However, both elements in the term "rugger-bugger", which is still occasionally met, derive from -er slang. I can't at the moment think of any other examples still in use.


Paul

davieddy 2010-06-12 14:58

-er slang
 
To maintain the football theme, it has been replaced by
-s, -ie and -a:

Becks, Greavsie, Gazza etc.

Davy Eddie
(or should that be Jonesie's locker?)

OTOH "rower" = "one who rows" AFAIK

ewmayer 2010-06-14 19:20

I see odds [url=http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/football/internationals/world-cup/matches/p/267762/g/245/brazil-v-north-korea.html]as favorable as 1:9[/url] for North Korea vs Brazil tomorrow ... never been a sports bettor, but that seems pretty attractive for a wager. Thoughts?

davieddy 2010-06-14 21:23

[quote=ewmayer;218574]I see odds [URL="http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/football/internationals/world-cup/matches/p/267762/g/245/brazil-v-north-korea.html"]as favorable as 1:9[/URL] for North Korea vs Brazil tomorrow ... never been a sports bettor, but that seems pretty attractive for a wager. Thoughts?[/quote]

1/9 is for Brazil to win
23/2 for a draw
35/1 for N Korea to win

What seems attractive?
As a principle, I go for the dark horse
rather than the "housewives' choice".

David

ewmayer 2010-06-14 21:35

[QUOTE=davieddy;218581]1/9 is for Brazil to win
23/2 for a draw
35/1 for N Korea to win

What seems attractive?[/QUOTE]

I had in mind betting on Brazil to win ... I figure if NK manages the upset it'll be such big news that I won't mind having lost my money.

davieddy 2010-06-14 22:25

Vuvuzelas
 
Jeremy Paxman just described the resulting cacophony as
"making a Neapolitan traffic jam sound like Mozart".

I couldn't agree more!

David

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7828068/World-Cup-2010-fans-warned-about-hearing-loss-from-vuvuzelas.html[/URL] [URL]https://betrig.com/betting-tips/[/URL]

davieddy 2010-06-14 22:57

Life of Brian
 
It's not North Korea, it's the Democratic People's Republic of Korea

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/teams/north-korea/7828160/World-Cup-2010-North-Korea-coach-gives-hostile-press-conference.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/URL]

davieddy 2010-06-14 23:24

[quote=ewmayer;218582]I had in mind betting on Brazil to win ... I figure if NK manages the upset it'll be such big news that I won't mind having lost my money.[/quote]
When the favourite wins, the bookies lose.
Bookies make money.
What does this tell you about the probability of the favourite winning?

David

davieddy 2010-06-15 02:49

[quote=ewmayer;218582]I had in mind betting on Brazil to win ... I figure if NK manages the upset it'll be such big news that I won't mind having lost my money.[/quote]
If they draw, it will probably be at least as newsworthy as
England v USA, and might even provoke a comment in this thread.

Flatlander 2010-06-15 20:37

Well the Brazilians weren't overly impressive imo.

Slightly off topic:
Has anyone heard the cry of "Redhill!" at a football match?
I'll tell you why later.

edit: If I say 'football' I always mean 'soccer'.


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