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retina 2022-07-14 21:36

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;609515]Again, who are you going to rely on?[/QUOTE]If only there was way some way to prevent people having such easy access to guns.

chalsall 2022-07-14 23:03

[QUOTE=Xyzzy;609515]Only a delusional person would expect the police to help.[/QUOTE]

I resonate with what I /think/ you are arguing.

My problem with the thought experiment is when you introduce into the equations having serious firepower in the hands of those not terribly well trained. And/or, not terribly sane.

Thankfully, I don't actually have any skin in this game. But I have many friends who have to deal with this.

kruoli 2022-07-15 00:31

Unfortunately, the random variable of resposibility can get as low as 0, basically, independet of zero-based unit and scale, for a considerable amount of humans.

chalsall 2022-07-15 01:23

[QUOTE=kruoli;609531]Unfortunately, the random variable of resposibility can get as low as 0, basically, independet of zero-based unit and scale, for a considerable amount of humans.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. And in some domains, this space seems to be a function of software. Written hundreds of years ago. In the short form. When muskets were high-tech.

And we geeks think COBOL sucks... 9^)

Uncwilly 2022-07-19 16:26

More "Good Guys with Guns"
[URL="https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/"]https://coloradosun.com/2022/07/17/downtown-denver-police-shooting/ [/URL]

xilman 2022-08-28 10:07

A blue on blue incident, obviously.

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62703857[/url]

Dr Sardonicus 2022-08-28 13:04

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[QUOTE=xilman;612224]A blue on blue incident, obviously.

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62703857[/url][/QUOTE]The Dutch commandos were in the US for training at the Muscatatuck Urban Training Center.

Looks like they got some real-life training in urban warfare, US style. There was a previous altercation which police believe led to the shooting.

That's why we have the right to keep and bear arms - to settle arguments! And to protect ourselves against foreigners who talk funny, of course.

Apparently there were plenty of witnesses. There have been no arrests so far.

But don't worry, everything is going to be fine.

[quote=Indiana National Guard]Our thoughts and prayers are with the soldiers and families during this difficult time.[/quote]

BTW I found the following image in the Al Jazeera article about this shooting. I'm not too good at geography, but I'm pretty sure that Indianapolis isn't where the graphic indicates.

[b]UPDATE:[/b] One of the victims died of his injuries Sunday night.

xilman 2022-08-29 19:04

One down, two to go.

Dr Sardonicus 2022-08-30 13:34

[QUOTE=xilman;612290]One down, two to go.[/QUOTE]It seems the two are expected to recover from their gunshot wounds.

[url=https://apnews.com/article/shootings-indiana-indianapolis-netherlands-44132830108d18ff2a4a2d367132cd7e]This AP story[/url] has the following curious bit of circumspection:[quote]Police, however, released no additional information Monday about the circumstances of the shooting nor made any police officials available for interviews. No arrests have been announced.

The agency said in a statement that detectives were working to identify those involved in the shooting and that "the release of certain investigative information could negatively impact the ability to obtain justice in this case."[/quote]

[url=https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62712298]This BBC story[/url] has something that may help explain:[quote]The city's mayor told reporters on Monday that the attack may have been a drive-by shooting.

"As I understand it there was a scuffle - a kerfuffle - at a bar and the Dutch guardsmen had returned back to their hotel," said Mayor Joe Hogsett.[/quote]Here in the good ol' USA, drive-by shootings are usually done by street gangs. And with crimes committed by street gangs, witnesses often say they saw nothing, heard nothing, know nothing. If they give statements, they might come down with galloping amnesia if they are called upon to testify in court. If they don't disappear or wind up in the morgue.

And if local business are able to supply enough security footage to support a prosecution, they better have their fire insurance paid up...

[b]UPDATE:[/b] Police made an arrest Tuesday afternoon. The suspect has been charged with murder, and is being held without bail.

Uncwilly 2022-08-30 15:30

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;612319]Here in the good ol' USA, drive-by shootings are usually done by street gangs. [/QUOTE]The knights in white satin have been known to do drive by shootings in the past.

Xyzzy 2022-09-20 14:36

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