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The Carnivore 2021-01-31 19:06

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;570542]After everyone has had a vax from either group, those from the lessor group could get the vax from the more effective type.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;570544]
If there's a mass vaccination site taking all comers at some point, my guess is you get Hobson's choice. You take whatever shot happens to be available then, or you leave.[/quote]

So let's say that you're offered the less effective vaccine now, but not the more effective one. There are a few possibilities:

Option A - Get the inferior vax now. Since you already got the vax, you won't get the superior vax until after everyone has had a vax from either group, which could take until August or so.

Option B - Get the inferior vax now. Unfortunately, getting that vax now will significantly reduce the effectiveness of the superior vax, so there'll be no point in taking it. You'll never be close to fully protected, which is a definite possibility: [url]https://khn.org/morning-breakout/new-results-confirm-astrazenecas-half-dose-mistake-is-90-effective/[/url]
"Two full doses given at least one month apart appeared to be 62% effective, while a half dose followed by a full dose was about 90% effective."

Option C - Decline the inferior vax now. Since you're unvaccinated, you'll have a chance to get the superior vax much sooner than the scenario in Option A, perhaps by March or April.

I would take option C without any hesitation.

[QUOTE=Dr Sardonicus;570544]
People are [i]already[/i] cutting in line. Here in the good ol' USA, some of our young, physically healthy congress critters have done so legally. Some other elites are also being allowed to get the shot before us little people. In Canada, [url=https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9186273/Casino-CEO-wife-arrested-flying-remote-Canada-vaccinated-indigenous-people.html]Rodney Baker and his wife Ekaterina[/url] chartered a flight to a remote area and posed as motel workers to get vaccinated. They got arrested - not for their imposture to get the shot, but for violating isolation protocols and not following their signed declarations. They were fined, but the fines are chump change for them. I don't know whether there is any prospect of jail time in their case. The maximum possible is six months.
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True, but the problem is going to get a lot worse if the less effective vaccines roll out and if people aren't allowed to choose which vaccine they get. I know a few folks who're willing to wait their turn, but if waiting means getting an inferior vaccine, they're going to try to get the vaccine ASAP by any means necessary, whether legal or not.

Dr Sardonicus 2021-01-31 20:46

[QUOTE=The Carnivore;570599]So let's say that you're offered the less effective vaccine now, but not the more effective one. There are a few possibilities:
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Since the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are the only ones which have EUA so far, I'd say all three of your options are nugatory at present.[quote]True, but the problem is going to get a lot worse if the less effective vaccines roll out and if people aren't allowed to choose which vaccine they get. I know a few folks who're willing to wait their turn, but if waiting means getting an inferior vaccine, they're going to try to get the vaccine ASAP by any means necessary, whether legal or not.[/QUOTE]I really don't see what you're basing this assertion on.

As I understand it, Pfizer and Moderna have already committed to producing 400 million doses for the US by the end of July. That's enough for 200 million people. The Biden Administration is working on procuring another 200 million doses of those vaccines. If that effort is successful, there will be enough of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines for 300 million people. The goal is to have enough for the entire adult population by the end of summer.

My guess is that by the time the vaccines become available to the general public, people will be able to get the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine locally, whether through a public mass vaccination program, through their employer, or at a pharmacy.

MooMoo2 2021-02-01 21:24

As of today, the number of Americans who've ever tested positive for the virus (26.0 million) is roughly equal to the number of Americans who've received at least one dose of the vaccine (also 26.0 million):

[url]https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations[/url]

Personally, I know quite a few people who've tested positive, but I don't know of anyone who's gotten the vaccine. They're either not eligible, eligible but unable to get an appointment, or eligible but chose not to get the vaccine anytime soon. Maybe I'm hanging out with the wrong crowd...

Uncwilly 2021-02-02 00:26

I got mine (first dose). Because of reasons the folks overseeing the jabbing asked me to wait around double.

storm5510 2021-02-03 20:07

My first scheduled dose is on March 15. These are being done in 20 minute increments from one person to the next. This seems like a lot of time wasting. :ermm:

xilman 2021-02-03 20:44

I won't vote yet, but SWMBO just booked her appointments.

henryzz 2021-02-03 22:20

Apparently, the trick to get an early vaccine in the UK is to volunteer for the last shift of the day at a vax centre. There will be vaccines they have to finish at the end of the day. Volunteers may get offered them.

Viliam Furik 2021-02-04 01:24

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I will probably poke hornet nest by this post, but I will do it anyway.

This aired on our national TV. You only need to know that it is poll results about vaccination opinions and "Áno" means yes, "Nie" means no, and "Neviem" means "I don't know".

I hope everyone can see what's my opinion on the thing (both the vaccination and the propaganda behind it).

Dr Sardonicus 2021-02-04 02:21

[QUOTE=Viliam Furik;570814]I will probably poke hornet nest by this post, but I will do it anyway.

This aired on our national TV. You only need to know that it is poll results about vaccination opinions and "Áno" means yes, "Nie" means no, and "Neviem" means "I don't know".

I hope everyone can see what's my opinion on the thing (both the vaccination and the propaganda behind it).[/QUOTE]This may be a silly question, but why don't the percentages add up to anything even close to 100 percent? They add up to 54% in the first chart, and to 60% in the second. Are over 40% simply refusing to participate in the poll?

Batalov 2021-02-04 02:33

Some people estimated that out of 331M U.S. population only 100M will agree to vaccinate and that the 100 first day- Biden administration plan (to have 100M vaccinated), the vaccinations will taper out.

But then again, opinions [URL="https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2020-12-28/number-of-americans-willing-to-get-covid-19-vaccine-continues-to-rise"]might change[/URL]. Gallup poll recently showed more like 6 out of 10 willing to vaccinate.

LaurV 2021-02-04 02:36

:lol:
Your people have a problem not only with the vaccine, but also with counting percents in correspondence to area fractions :rofl:
edit: crosspost, the reply was to Viliam's
edit 2: @Dr.S, nope, not missing population, it is just propaganda/bullshit graphs, otherwise why the 21% area in the second chart be much larger than the 29% one? Some idiot made the graph without even thinking.


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