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Uncwilly 2021-01-26 23:24

I will be working at a mass inoculation site on Monday. There is a good chance I might get my first dose then.

Batalov 2021-01-26 23:46

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;570184]I will be working at a mass inoculation site on Monday. There is a good chance I might get my first dose then.[/QUOTE]
I heard that there is a zero waste policy in place. Our hospital goes out of their way to find someone (children's parents or wards, ...or once there was an EMT driver) - to inoculate anyone at the end of the day. No shots should go to waste, even if there were no-shows or whatnot.

So, they should, definitely, turn towards any and all workers, first thing.

Re: poor countries. I have heard that in some countries there is a terrible disconnect between gov't and people. From a person in Ukraine, I heard that their government has 1) silly attitude towards the pandemic (trumpian-like) and 2) expects hand-outs from EU ("we (the country as a whole) will wait to be [I]given [/I]the vaccine"). There is a budget even in poor countries! There are in all seriousness very few [I]failed states[/I]. Vaccine is a commodity, so the price surely needs to be negotiated and purchased at state level, budget has to be appropriated, something else should be postponed (maybe some road patching, maybe some military expenses). That's what a good government is for. It is probably a childhood disease of socialism to expect something for free (I mean between states); the pharm companies have to pay their workers at the end of the day. (Even when people talk about very cheap malaria drugs for example - they are not really free; they are nearly free to those who receive them, but who pays for them? Gates foundation and some other charities. People love to hate Gates among other people but it deserves to be known how their foundation helps to pay for the medicines so that those drugs would become free for recipients.)

kriesel 2021-01-27 00:24

This poll may need choices by quarter-year, not by month, to span the possible duration. A case in point: Wisconsin's population is 5.852 million; first-dose vaccines are being supplied to the state currently at 70,000/week. That works out to 1.6 years for everyone in the state; 10 weeks to handle just one of the currently eligible groups. Without adjusting for losses due to accidental or deliberate spoilage. [URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/12/31/covid-vaccines-destroyed-wisconsin-hospital/[/URL]
Hopefully the supply rate will ramp up further and bring herd immunity sooner. It's estimated to take 75-80% vaccinated [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/16/we-made-covid-19-vaccines-fast-why-distribution-behind-schedule/6622178002/[/URL]
[URL]https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-about.htm[/URL]
[URL]https://worldpopulationreview.com/states/wisconsin-population[/URL]

As of today, less than 70,000 Wisconsinites (1.2%) have completed the vaccination series. [URL]https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/covid-19/vaccine-data.htm#series[/URL]
As of today's posted statistics, 356,000 Wisconsinites (6.1%) have received at least one dose. No age bracket has yet reached 8% first-dose.
Female recipients outnumber males by more than 2:1.

I'm in a currently eligible group. I've recently received a phone text notification from my health care provider that vaccine supplies are limited and will later receive a notification of when I'll be allowed to schedule a vaccination. With no indication how many months that translates to. But included yet another pitch to have all my healthcare information accessible online (no thanks!) as it will be their primary method of communication.

Wisconsin ranks a poor 34th among the 50 US states, for putting vaccines received to work in patients, with [B]51.8%[/B] of what was received, administered as of today. Not far from the dead last spot for US states, at 44.4%, but far from first at 86.7%, despite having some excellent health care facilities. Yet [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Palm"]Andrea Palm[/URL] moves up to the federal level. [URL]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html[/URL]

Uncwilly 2021-01-27 01:41

[QUOTE=kriesel;570189]This poll may need choices by quarter-year, not by month, to span the possible duration.[/QUOTE]
Maybe not:
[URL="https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos"]https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos [/URL]
[QUOTE]Updated at 5:46 p.m. ET [Jan 26]

President Biden announced Tuesday that his administration is working to purchase an additional 200 million doses of the two COVID-19 vaccines that have been authorized for emergency use, with the goal, the White House says, of having enough vaccine supply for the entire adult U.S. population by the end of the summer.

He also announced steps to increase vaccine doses going to state and local governments over the next three weeks, and to provide them more clarity going forward about how much supply they should expect.[/QUOTE]

LaurV 2021-01-27 02:48

[QUOTE=Batalov;570176]Ah, forgot - and I am done with the 2nd shot.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=pinhodecarlos;570177]Great stuff Batalov. Keep us updated.[/QUOTE]
Like in, did you grow any horns, tail, hooves, etc. after vaccination? Anything that would make the oneill happy? :razz:

Batalov 2021-01-27 06:10

[QUOTE]In theory, there is no difference between practice and theory. In practice, there is.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't it be nice if I could say that I can now walk on water and can drink methanol for the fun of it and nothing happens to me if I do.
In reality, I have some upper lung congestion, and some sinusitis too. But I console myself with a thought that maybe I could have had a gross disease and instead got a toy one.
I am going to check antibodies level in a few weeks, then I will know if I simply walked off the serious COV on foot.

Now, 2 weeks after 2nd shot, I should be quite safe. I am not 35 anymore, you know... Can't be too careful.

kriesel 2021-01-27 09:45

[QUOTE=Uncwilly;570194]Maybe not:
[URL="https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos"]https://www.npr.org/sections/president-biden-takes-office/2021/01/26/960857706/the-biden-administration-is-working-to-buy-200-million-more-covid-19-vaccine-dos [/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the link.
"End of summer" is early September, variously defined as September 1 or Labor Day, or the [URL="https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/autumnal-equinox.html"]autumn equinox[/URL] September 22. Already beyond the poll choices. Dose count < patient count since some take 2 each, spoilage is not zero, etc.
That's for supply goal. Injection into patients lags actual delivered usable supply to the states. In many states, quite substantially to date. Federal goals and actual pharma production are only part of the issue.
Viewing the numbers I posted earlier the other way around, there is a drastic variation of how much vaccine as a percentage that individual states have received but have not yet used, from 55.6% worst case to 13.3% best case, a ratio of ~4.18!
Wisconsin at 48.2% unused yet is much closer to the worst case (0.87 times) than the best case (3.62 times!)

[URL]https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations[/URL] also shows substantial lag between distribution and use, and Wisconsin is among several states mapped there as lagging furthest behind relative to the national per capita rates of injection to date.

The exceptionally long lag in Wisconsin appears to be partly bureaucratic, getting government permission to apply this particular vaccine by getting "registered". [URL]https://www.wearegreenbay.com/news/local-news/wisconsin-experiencing-delays-in-phased-distribution-of-covid-19-vaccine/[/URL]
Poor state level planning and communication have plagued Wisconsin's effort. [URL]https://townhall.com/columnists/mdkittle/2020/12/17/vaccines-for-most-vulnerable-delayed-n2581736[/URL]

On a more positive note, [URL]https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/2021/01/08/wisconsin-covid-19-vaccine-rollout-plan-who-get-and-when/6595772002/[/URL] includes one estimate of getting the Wisconsin general population vaccinated by early summer. That would imply ramping over time up to a peak of perhaps an order of magnitude increase in supply rate and more than that of use above current Wisconsin rates (and completing sooner than the federal supply goal, which seems unrealistic).
Use rate should eventually outpace supply rate. Vaccines can only be effective after use. Hundreds of thousands of doses sit in Wisconsin unused while many more of the most at-risk wait.

storm5510 2021-01-27 17:28

[QUOTE=Batalov;570206]...Now, 2 weeks after 2nd shot, I should be quite safe. I am not 35 anymore, you know... [B]Can't be too careful[/B].[/QUOTE]

Can't be too careful is very true. I have mentioned my sister who works with COVID-19 patients previously. She received her 2nd shot on January 11. She told me that, by early February, she would be [U]90%[/U] protected. She never mentioned if this number would rise any higher. I will ask, but contact with her is really sporadic.

Dr Sardonicus 2021-01-27 19:02

Having missed the first slots, I called yesterday (January 26) and got booked for today. I received email confirmation 20 minutes later, with consent form and map showing parking entrances at the location attached. I went in and received my first COVID-19 vaccine just before 9:00 this morning. The RN who administered the vaccine gave me a card with the date for the second shot stamped in red ink. They had me wait around for 15 minutes afterward to make sure I wasn't going to keel over right away. The Health Department will call me to schedule the second shot.

So far, I have experienced only some slight soreness and stiffness in the shoulder where I took the shot.

There is absolutely no indication of any genetic mutation. As you can see, my appearance remains completely normal.

:hmm:

VBCurtis 2021-01-28 22:59

I also got poked today, Pfizer flavor.

a1call 2021-01-28 23:48

@Dr. S.
What happened to your glasses?
Are you using contact-lenses or did your vision go 20/20 after the shot?
As for Canada, we have no production capacity and are totally dependent on shipments from Europe which might be jeopardized if Europe passes Europe 1st laws which US has already in place. This week we will receive 0 shipments due to plant retooling and and 1/4 of the vaccines contracted the week after that.
There is a senior citizen in Quebec who received 2 shots by mistake. One from Pfizer and the other from Moderna.


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