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kracker 2013-10-09 19:02

I really think some of the mods here need to get that rarely used hammer out of their closet and use it....

garo 2013-10-10 18:42

[QUOTE=kracker;355760]I really think some of the mods here need to get that rarely used hammer out of their closet and use it....[/QUOTE]

Reliable sources inform me that he is gone for six months.

markr 2013-10-12 00:59

[QUOTE=Aramis Wyler;355693]Can we get a report that has the wavefront (maybe 1 month and 3 month avgs) and how far we are ahead of it for each work type? No priority, I was just glancing around today to see where we were for p-1 and tf in the ll range and was thinking that it might be nice to see how we were doing for p-1, lltf, dc, and lmh in case someone felt like they needed to switch up their work.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=chalsall;355753]Interesting thought... :smile:

I have something crude which might slightly help present this... Compare [URL="http://www.mersenne.info/exponent_status_line_graph/1/0/"]this graph of exponent status[/URL] with [URL="http://www.mersenne.info/trial_factored_min_max/1/0/"]this one showing factoring depth.[/URL]

Unfortuantely I don't show P-1 data on Mersenne.info. Need to add that to my ToDo list (They just never get shorter! :cry:).

It would be interesting combining all of this data (plus additional, like assignment status) into a single graph / table / report.

(James: want to beat me to it? I wouldn't complain... :wink:)

Edit: Forgot to mention... Yes, I know about the error in dataset in the ~33M to 34M range... Mersenne.info needs some TLC....[/QUOTE]
Thinking about one aspect of progress, I looked around to see if there was a table of factored depth by range just for no-LL exponents, but had no luck. (Yeah, I know, it's probably in there somewhere, but I just couldn't find it.) Could we see the numbers from Primenet that are behind the [URL="http://www.gpu72.com/reports/estimated_completion/primenet/"]estimated completion[/URL] table perhaps? P-1 / no p-1 would be nice too. Anyway, something from my wish list to weigh up for your to do list.

NBtarheel_33 2013-10-12 04:17

[QUOTE=garo;355869]Reliable sources inform me that he is gone for six months.[/QUOTE]

I would say that a *permanent* vacation from the GPU subforum might be in order, as well.

chalsall 2013-10-12 05:06

[QUOTE=markr;356012]Thinking about one aspect of progress, I looked around to see if there was a table of factored depth by range just for no-LL exponents, but had no luck. (Yeah, I know, it's probably in there somewhere, but I just couldn't find it.)[/QUOTE]

That could be indirectly derived from the reports from Mersenne.info, but not directly -- it would take some work.

[QUOTE=markr;356012]Could we see the numbers from Primenet that are behind the [URL="http://www.gpu72.com/reports/estimated_completion/primenet/"]estimated completion[/URL] table perhaps? P-1 / no p-1 would be nice too. Anyway, something from my wish list to weigh up for your to do list.[/QUOTE]

An excellent suggestion, and something quite easy for me to build a query for (all the needed data already exists in the GPU72 MySQL database, updated in real-time). Please consider this on my "Short-list" ToDo list!

garo 2013-10-12 08:36

[QUOTE=NBtarheel_33;356030]I would say that a *permanent* vacation from the GPU subforum might be in order, as well.[/QUOTE]

If six months of reflection is insufficient to change behaviour, a permanent vacation may be in order.

chalsall 2013-10-13 17:01

[QUOTE=chalsall;356038]An excellent suggestion, and something quite easy for me to build a query for (all the needed data already exists in the GPU72 MySQL database, updated in real-time). Please consider this on my "Short-list" ToDo list![/QUOTE]

OK, the first draft of the requested [URL="https://www.gpu72.com/reports/current_level/"]Current Trial Factoring Depth for all Candidates[/URL] report is now online.

The table for LL candidates is complete. The DC table below it needs some attention, but I figured the LL data was what most people were interested in, so I figured I'd release the report now.

The back-end is also calculating the data for those candidates without P-1 done. I'll expose that once I get the DC table finished (it will be available via a sub-menu for the new "Current TF Levels" menu).

kladner 2013-10-13 19:11

Coolness! Thanks! :tu:

James Heinrich 2013-10-13 19:50

[QUOTE=chalsall;356135]OK, the first draft of the requested [URL="https://www.gpu72.com/reports/current_level/"]Current Trial Factoring Depth for all Candidates[/URL] report is now online.[/QUOTE]The 33M-47M (DC?) table shows counts under the bit depth and total columns as '%.4f' rather than thousands-separated integers like everywhere else in the table.

chalsall 2013-10-13 20:08

[QUOTE=James Heinrich;356147]The 33M-47M (DC?) table shows counts under the bit depth and total columns as '%.4f' rather than thousands-separated integers like everywhere else in the table.[/QUOTE]

Yes... That's the "The DC table below it needs some attention..." reference above...

For expediency I just re-used the code which renders the "Estimated Completion" report. I haven't yet converted the DC table to render the data as INTs rather than FLOATS. Later today.

TheMawn 2013-10-14 08:29

The whole verbal abuse and fighting on a personal level is the reason I have opted out of some of the discussion topics. The issue of a younger child coming in and having him and his mother see a bunch of supposed adults swearing at each other is one thing. Sure, I'll admit to having used one slice of bad language fairly recently on this forum (in fact it spawned from the same hopeless discussion as most of the recent bile) but it was of course meant for the same purpose as any other word: to convey some kind of message. In this case, the message required special emphasis that only comes from words which are meant to be used less frequently, lest they lose that emphasis.

One still has to be careful because taken out of context, a few posts of "emphasized wording" can make the place look seriously unkempt. Sadly I think the last couple of days have seen the F Word used a dozen times. We're getting to that stage where it is becoming impossible to justify any of it.

Worse still I think is some of the attitude behind the swearing. As someone mentioned, this IS an official source for help on all things GIMPS (and more, yet) and people coming here are going to be impressionable on account of they [I]want[/I] answers. They're extra sensitive to information, just as I once was just a few short months ago. Since then, I've been absorbed into the Hell-spawned TF depth debacle, and I'm quite lucky to have been drawn in by two conflicting posts with fairly representative levels of information from either side. The angry old guy isn't making much sense, and the friendly old guy is presenting data. I was fortunate enough to be able to choose the "right" side before things got nasty.

On the other hand, when someone who just doesn't know when to quit keeps going on about something while everyone who is nearby happens to not give the two flying, uh, ducks, to say "you're wrong and here's why" for the seventeen bollillionth time, you're going to get people choosing sides. I almost felt sympathy for David when he pulled the "I'm being bullied and mocked and still I stand true to my cause card" until I realized he'd been doing this to himself for such a long time. If there was any left, it's all gone now, since he's now resorted to directly coarse language.


The environment has turned completely caustic and I feel bad for anyone entering now, expecting something very different. I'll do my best to keep the noise down and the signals clear, but there's only so much one can do.


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