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 T.Rex 2004-10-06 21:07

I need a proof for this binomial property.

Hi,
Because the following forum provides a LaTeX interface and because the formula is quite complex, I've posted a thread in the NumberTheory forum at:
asking for help for proving a property about binomial coefficients I need.
Your help is welcome ! (And I guess finding a proof will not be easy).
Regards,
Tony

 Zeta-Flux 2004-10-08 04:48

Here are some possible lines of attack that I found. (You can plug them into LaTeX if you can't follow the notation).

Define A_m = ( (1+\sqrt{2})^m + (1-\sqrt{2})^m )/2. Then this gets rid of the binomial stuff. And if we plug in m = k_n we get exactly the same numbers as you defined earlier.

There are some interesting recurrence relations for the A_m. Look at:
[CODE]
A_1 = 1
> 0
A_2 = 1 > 2
> 2 > 0
A_3 = 3 > 2 > 4
> 4 > 4 >0
A_4 = 7 > 6 > 4
> 10 > 8
A_5 = 17 > 12
> 24
A_6 = 41
[/CODE]
where the number immediately following > denotes the difference of the two previous numbers (to the left of >). Notice that every row is 2 times the row that occurs two places back. This pattern continues. So one can reconstruct this pattern using this fact and that the first part looks like:

1
> 0

Hope that gives you something new to ponder. (But I don't know if it will solve your problem.) Where did you get those k_n numbers from?

Best,
Zeta-Flux

 T.Rex 2004-10-08 15:53

Thanks.
But I'm not sure it helps.
In fact, your operation seems to periodically (period = 2) build the same 2 series, but shifted to the bottom by 1 line. Add some lines to your table, and you'll see 2 series:
U_n : 0 1 2 5 12 29 ...
V_n : 2 2 6 14 34 82 ...
X_n = 2X_{n-1}+X_{n-2}
which are the Pell sequences.
And on the right, you'll see: 1 0 2 0 4 0 8 0 ... 0 2^i ...
So we have: V_n - V_{n-1} = 4 U_{n-1} or 4 U_n = V_n + V_{n-1} . I don't know yet if it helps.
Using the binomial stuff is one solution for studying the problem. Using the relationship between Pell numbers is another one. Don't know which will provide the proof ...
About the k_n, I'm writing a paper that will explain everything, soon.
In fact: F_n is prime <==> F_n | A_k_n , I think.
Tony

 Zeta-Flux 2004-10-08 19:13

You are exactly right. That's what I was trying to say. (Sorry about the mistaken 12 instead of 14 in my table.)

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